NCSE: The National Center for Science Education

Hilarous!

Ha,funny.

@Daymon - you have that right.

I second that. science is not a 'belief', it's a discipline. You are required to THINK

I'm wondering when this will come out, but I suppose some clicking will get me this answer. Looks gorgeous, thanks for sharing!

Wish I was fluent in Spanish, my command of that language is very limited. I miss coming in and working with you all on a regular basis. If you need me for any other projects, however....

That's a very good question Buel. If one assumes that using the scientific method is the only legitimate means of doing scientific work (I don't think anyone here would disagree with such an assessment), then one must accept the scientific reality of evolution since its principles and data have been derived via the scientific method. I am stating ... See Morethis not from any emotional attachment I may have towards either the scientific method or evolution, but instead, as what I would presume would make the most sense from a rational, logical perspective.

In the case of your student, if he can, like Wise, learn to comform to established scientific standards (which I believe is what Wise did when he was undertaking his Ph. D. dissertation research), then philosophically you might not be on firm ground to reject him, simply because he accepts as an article of faith, young earth creationism. However, on the other hand, if he wishes to pursue scientific research based on what he regards as the inerrancy of his religious beliefs, then he's not interested in doing science, period.

Last June I heard two religiously-devout scientists at a World Science Festival panel discussion here in New York City, Ken Miller and Guy Consolmagno (a Jesuit brother, noted planetary scientist, Vatican Astronomer and curator of the Papal Meteorite Collection at Castel Gandolfo, the pope's "vacation" residence) declare that when they are working as scienitsts, only scientific considerations are considered. They put aside their religious attitudes while working professionally as scientists.

Greatly appreciate the insight, 2nd paragraph particularly. I once challenged Michael Behe to design a controlled experiment to determine whether a designer exists and to test certain ID assumptions. He naturally couldn't do it, actually he refused to try, but what do you think of this approach? If the student chose to deny evolution, he could ... See Morebe asked to defend his beliefs by forming testable hypotheses. I know it's impossible, but this would allow him to reach the same conclusion as the Vatican scientists - science with blinders.

A close colleague recently asked me whether I thought it responsible to teach an admitted holocaust denier the history of WWII knowing full well that the information would be misused. I got his point and yes, I'm struggling with that issue as well.

fantastic concept & execution!

Hey, Tik Ros, since this is a graphic adaptation, did you get a photo op?

Angel, your neurons have better things to do. Don't risk killing them off by reading WORLD.

Can evolution explain this 908sa34tp9[8aejrgp 8h4509oijwmshy/lkdoinb ????

@Wm Frank Pont Jr: while many minds are indeed hard to move, talks like this can help, especially at a university where students are supposed to be more open - at least by definition even if not always in practice. Here's a blog post with one such student's response to this very talk:

http://blog.darwinsbulldogs.com/2009/12/christian-student-reflects-on-eugenie.html