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- (By joining this group you are helping to ensure a future. This group is acting as an ONLINE PETITION to STOP the LHC project until a full risk assessment is provided)
LHC BEAM TESTING STARTS SPRING OF 2009.
RAISE AWARENESS.
THIS WILL BE THE BIGGEST EXPERIMENT IN HISTORY...
AND COULD QUITE WELL POSSIBLY BE THE LAST...
The impending startup of the Large Hadron Collider... It will start smashing protons together at 99.999994 percent of the speed of light Spring of 2009 at the European Center for Nuclear Research, or CERN, outside Geneva, in hopes of grabbing a piece of the primordial fire, forces and particles that may have existed a trillionth of a second after the Big Bang...
The most powerful, and expensive device ever created. And some of Earth's most brilliant minds (even CERN's scientists), have contended that the particle accelerator, once online, could have destructive, irreversible cosmological consequences...
Before CERN starts operation, there are very grave concerns amongst the scientific community that the extremely high energies produced could cause one of the following catastrophic scenarios:
* CERN creates a black hole
* CERN creates a transition into a different quantum mechanical vacuum
* CERN creates strangelets of matter that are more stable than ordinary matter
(Links to more detailed explanations of these theories below)
These hypothetical theories are complex, but they predict that at very least, Earth would be destroyed within a matter of seconds, to years, to millenia, depending on the theories presented.
For instance, a micro black hole, made of the densest matter in the universe, would plummet to the very core of the earth, then, slowly at first, growing one particle, one quark at a time, start consuming matter at an ever accelerating rate. Scientists have estimated that a stable black hole created on Earth could consume not only France, but the whole planet in a very short time span of between 4 - 7 minutes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXzugu39pKM&feature=related
CERN’s most recent safety report, in 2003, focused mostly on refuting the strangelet threat in the hadron collider and devoted just three pages to black holes, saying they “do not present a conceivable risk.” It gave no odds, although the odds are NOT absolute zero.
One major problem is that society has never agreed on a standard of what is safe in these surreal realms when the odds of disaster might be tiny but the stakes are cosmically high. In such situations, these "guessed" estimates are often no more than “informed betting odds".
The question:
"How improbable does a catastrophe have to be, to justify proceeding with such an experiment?’
It seems to have never of been seriously examined.
Besides that, the random nature of quantum physics means that there is always a minuscule, but nonzero, chance of anything occurring. The odds are big, but yet so small, but any risk like this, is not worth taking. We hardly even know enough about quantum physics or hyper-dimensional theory at this point to even begin to predict what may occur.
And for the record...
I haven't made this group to stop the completion of it, and to be honest, am curious as to what this colossal device could provide us scientifically.
I HAVE MADE THIS PETITION TO PUT THE PROJECT ON HOLD.
A more detailed safety evaluation needs to be done. A FULL risk assessment. One that isn't bias towards certain theories leaving important ideas behind. Too many questions are left unanswered. If these are such great scientists working on the LHC, and I'm sure they are, why can't they provide this...
IMPORTANT NOTE: On Tuesday, March 27, 2007, there was a devastating explosion deep in the tunnel at the CERN particle accelerator complex that actually blew a 20 ton magnet right off its mountings. The explosion filled the tunnel with helium and forced a mass evacuation of the facility.
While the facility was supposed to go online during the summer of 2007, the new startup was tentatively summer of 2008 after 17 miles of magnets have been repaired or replaced. Now after more "miscalculations" and damages that released more than a ton of helium, it is set to start in Spring 2009.
Even Dr. Lyn Evans, who heads the accelerator project at CERN, said the explosion had been potentially very dangerous. "There was a hell of a bang, the tunnel housing the machine filled with helium and dust and we had to call in the fire brigade to evacuate the place," he said. "The people working on the test were frightened to death but they were all in a safe place so nobody was hurt."
An investigation by the researchers found that BASIC MATH FLAWS HAD CAUSED THE EXPLOSION -- which gives one pause in contemplating - HOW MUCH FAITH CAN BE BESTOWED TO 6,000 SCIENTISTS THAT CAN OVERLOOK BASIC MATH FLAWS?? Not only was this mistake made in the original design phase, but it was also missed on four engineering reviews carried out over a period of four years. The director of Fermilab, Pier Oddone, blithely wrote about the disaster stating that they had caused "a pratfall on the world stage". A pratfall?? Should these Keystone-scientists be entrusted with the fate of the world in their hands??
That age-old question: Will our planet disappear in the twinkling of an eye? - Now becomes a probability if and when the CERN facility is allowed to go on-line in Spring of 2009.
I don't know about you... But I'm concerned.
Please sign the petitions:
http://www.petitiononline.com/stopLHC/petition.html
http://1in50million.co.uk/petition.aspx
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/stop-physicists-who-plan-to-create-black-holes
Make a donation towards the lawsuit:
http://www.lhcdefense.org/Home_Page.html
Contact your Governments.
GLOBAL list of politicians addresses/phone #'s:
http://greenfield.fortunecity.com/swallowtail/408/addresses1.htm
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*****We are very limited for time on this extremely important issue. Spring of 2009 isn't very far away, and EVERY NAME COUNTS!! This group acts as an online petition and ALL NAMES WILL COUNT AS A SIGNATURE. But please, sign the other petitions as well.*****
Links:
http://www.risk-evaluation-forum.org/
http://www.misunderstooduniverse.com/France_Builds_Doomsday_Machine.htm
http://www.answers.com/topic/large-hadron-collider
http://www.unificationtheory.com/god/CONCERN.html
http://prola.aps.org/abstract/PRL/v87/i16/e161602
http://lhc.web.cern.ch/lhc/
http://www.answers.com/topic/lifeboat-foundation
http://www.answers.com/topic/magnetic-monopole?cat=technology
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Hadron_Collider
http://www.lhcconcerns.com/LHCConcerns/Forums/phpBB3/
http://hcc.web.cern.ch/hcc/
Miniature Black Holes:
http://www.einstein-online.info/en/spotlights/accelerators_bh/index.html
http://www.instadv.ucsb.edu/93106/2002/feb19/blackholes/blackholes.html
http://amazing-space.stsci.edu/resources/explorations/blackholes/teacher/sciencebackground.html
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/blackhole/tiny.html
http://www.usatoday.com/news/science/2002-01-16-collision.htm
http://hubblesite.org/reference_desk/faq/answer.php.id=62&cat=exotic
http://www.rvgs.k12.va.us/electives/trap/students/ckafura/paper.html
Strangelets/Strange Matter:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strange_matter
http://th.physik.uni-frankfurt.de/~gerland/stoecker/ger/node16.html
http://www.physics.rutgers.edu/~jholden/strange/node3.html
http://www.scienceagogo.com/news/strange_matter.shtml
http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Stars_Can_Be_Strange___Exploring_The_Stange_Matter_Hypothesis_999.html
http://www.aas.org/publications/baas/v33n4/aas199/192.htm
http://www.exitmundi.nl/strange.htm
Youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQYXMqEwRxc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHT9RTlCqjQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXzugu39pKM&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1vKisefsuI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-nmH1p8FFo&eurl=http://www.badastronomy.com/bablog/2008/05/02/the-animated-atlas/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXjR-Jkrsvg&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cv2xQ68HLD0&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sono2Pu8Ak0&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHXsz1gud1Q&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsCPvYVCzGs&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0WWts0oaX0
Walter Wagner, Plaintiff of the Hawaii lawsuit, on Coast to Coast A.M. Radio:
Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EL2ghqv5mCg
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTTbVmxbqZM
Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oabjc8hr6n0
Part 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJQO-bkqBHw
Related Facebook groups:
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2381011834&ref=mf
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=12862957609
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2439781717
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=22232988840
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THANK YOU FOR YOUR UNDERSTANDING. (read less)(By joining this group you are helping to ensure a future. This group is acting as an ONLINE PETITION to STOP the LHC project until a full risk assessment is provided)
LHC BEAM TESTING STARTS SPRING OF 2009.
RAISE AWARENESS.
THIS WILL BE THE BIGGEST EXPERIMENT IN HISTORY...
AND COULD QUITE WELL POSSIBLY BE THE LAST...
The impending startup of the Large Hadron Collider... It will start smashing protons together at 99.999994 percent of the speed of light Spring of 2009 at the... (read more) - Privacy Type:
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STOPand READ!! - PETITION to stop CERN Activation (Large Hadron Collider)
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- Name:
- STOPand READ!! - PETITION to stop CERN Activation (Large Hadron Collider)
- Category:
- Common Interest - Beliefs & Causes
- Description:
- (By joining this group you are helping to ensure a future. This group is acting as an ONLINE PETITION to STOP the LHC project until a full risk assessment is provided)
LHC BEAM TESTING STARTS SPRING OF 2009.
RAISE AWARENESS.
THIS WILL BE THE BIGGEST EXPERIMENT IN HISTORY...
AND COULD QUITE WELL POSSIBLY BE THE LAST...
The impending startup of the Large Hadron Collider... It will start smashing protons together at 99.999994 percent of the speed of light Spring of 2009 at the European Center for Nuclear Research, or CERN, outside Geneva, in hopes of grabbing a piece of the primordial fire, forces and particles that may have existed a trillionth of a second after the Big Bang...
The most powerful, and expensive device ever created. And some of Earth's most brilliant minds (even CERN's scientists), have contended that the particle accelerator, once online, could have destructive, irreversible cosmological consequences...
Before CERN starts operation, there are very grave concerns amongst the scientific community that the extremely high energies produced could cause one of the following catastrophic scenarios:
* CERN creates a black hole
* CERN creates a transition into a different quantum mechanical vacuum
* CERN creates strangelets of matter that are more stable than ordinary matter
(Links to more detailed explanations of these theories below)
These hypothetical theories are complex, but they predict that at very least, Earth would be destroyed within a matter of seconds, to years, to millenia, depending on the theories presented.
For instance, a micro black hole, made of the densest matter in the universe, would plummet to the very core of the earth, then, slowly at first, growing one particle, one quark at a time, start consuming matter at an ever accelerating rate. Scientists have estimated that a stable black hole created on Earth could consume not only France, but the whole planet in a very short time span of between 4 - 7 minutes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXzugu39pKM&feature=related
CERN’s most recent safety report, in 2003, focused mostly on refuting the strangelet threat in the hadron collider and devoted just three pages to black holes, saying they “do not present a conceivable risk.” It gave no odds, although the odds are NOT absolute zero.
One major problem is that society has never agreed on a standard of what is safe in these surreal realms when the odds of disaster might be tiny but the stakes are cosmically high. In such situations, these "guessed" estimates are often no more than “informed betting odds".
The question:
"How improbable does a catastrophe have to be, to justify proceeding with such an experiment?’
It seems to have never of been seriously examined.
Besides that, the random nature of quantum physics means that there is always a minuscule, but nonzero, chance of anything occurring. The odds are big, but yet so small, but any risk like this, is not worth taking. We hardly even know enough about quantum physics or hyper-dimensional theory at this point to even begin to predict what may occur.
And for the record...
I haven't made this group to stop the completion of it, and to be honest, am curious as to what this colossal device could provide us scientifically.
I HAVE MADE THIS PETITION TO PUT THE PROJECT ON HOLD.
A more detailed safety evaluation needs to be done. A FULL risk assessment. One that isn't bias towards certain theories leaving important ideas behind. Too many questions are left unanswered. If these are such great scientists working on the LHC, and I'm sure they are, why can't they provide this...
IMPORTANT NOTE: On Tuesday, March 27, 2007, there was a devastating explosion deep in the tunnel at the CERN particle accelerator complex that actually blew a 20 ton magnet right off its mountings. The explosion filled the tunnel with helium and forced a mass evacuation of the facility.
While the facility was supposed to go online during the summer of 2007, the new startup was tentatively summer of 2008 after 17 miles of magnets have been repaired or replaced. Now after more "miscalculations" and damages that released more than a ton of helium, it is set to start in Spring 2009.
Even Dr. Lyn Evans, who heads the accelerator project at CERN, said the explosion had been potentially very dangerous. "There was a hell of a bang, the tunnel housing the machine filled with helium and dust and we had to call in the fire brigade to evacuate the place," he said. "The people working on the test were frightened to death but they were all in a safe place so nobody was hurt."
An investigation by the researchers found that BASIC MATH FLAWS HAD CAUSED THE EXPLOSION -- which gives one pause in contemplating - HOW MUCH FAITH CAN BE BESTOWED TO 6,000 SCIENTISTS THAT CAN OVERLOOK BASIC MATH FLAWS?? Not only was this mistake made in the original design phase, but it was also missed on four engineering reviews carried out over a period of four years. The director of Fermilab, Pier Oddone, blithely wrote about the disaster stating that they had caused "a pratfall on the world stage". A pratfall?? Should these Keystone-scientists be entrusted with the fate of the world in their hands??
That age-old question: Will our planet disappear in the twinkling of an eye? - Now becomes a probability if and when the CERN facility is allowed to go on-line in Spring of 2009.
I don't know about you... But I'm concerned.
Please sign the petitions:
http://www.petitiononline.com/stopLHC/petition.html
http://1in50million.co.uk/petition.aspx
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/stop-physicists-who-plan-to-create-black-holes
Make a donation towards the lawsuit:
http://www.lhcdefense.org/Home_Page.html
Contact your Governments.
GLOBAL list of politicians addresses/phone #'s:
http://greenfield.fortunecity.com/swallowtail/408/addresses1.htm
*****PLEASE INVITE PEOPLE TO JOIN!!!*****
*****PLEASE INVITE PEOPLE TO JOIN!!!*****
*****PLEASE INVITE PEOPLE TO JOIN!!!*****
*****PLEASE INVITE PEOPLE TO JOIN!!!*****
*****PLEASE INVITE PEOPLE TO JOIN!!!*****
*****PLEASE INVITE PEOPLE TO JOIN!!!*****
*****PLEASE INVITE PEOPLE TO JOIN!!!*****
*****PLEASE INVITE PEOPLE TO JOIN!!!*****
*****PLEASE INVITE PEOPLE TO JOIN!!!*****
*****We are very limited for time on this extremely important issue. Spring of 2009 isn't very far away, and EVERY NAME COUNTS!! This group acts as an online petition and ALL NAMES WILL COUNT AS A SIGNATURE. But please, sign the other petitions as well.*****
Links:
http://www.risk-evaluation-forum.org/
http://www.misunderstooduniverse.com/France_Builds_Doomsday_Machine.htm
http://www.answers.com/topic/large-hadron-collider
http://www.unificationtheory.com/god/CONCERN.html
http://prola.aps.org/abstract/PRL/v87/i16/e161602
http://lhc.web.cern.ch/lhc/
http://www.answers.com/topic/lifeboat-foundation
http://www.answers.com/topic/magnetic-monopole?cat=technology
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Hadron_Collider
http://www.lhcconcerns.com/LHCConcerns/Forums/phpBB3/
http://hcc.web.cern.ch/hcc/
Miniature Black Holes:
http://www.einstein-online.info/en/spotlights/accelerators_bh/index.html
http://www.instadv.ucsb.edu/93106/2002/feb19/blackholes/blackholes.html
http://amazing-space.stsci.edu/resources/explorations/blackholes/teacher/sciencebackground.html
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/blackhole/tiny.html
http://www.usatoday.com/news/science/2002-01-16-collision.htm
http://hubblesite.org/reference_desk/faq/answer.php.id=62&cat=exotic
http://www.rvgs.k12.va.us/electives/trap/students/ckafura/paper.html
Strangelets/Strange Matter:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strange_matter
http://th.physik.uni-frankfurt.de/~gerland/stoecker/ger/node16.html
http://www.physics.rutgers.edu/~jholden/strange/node3.html
http://www.scienceagogo.com/news/strange_matter.shtml
http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Stars_Can_Be_Strange___Exploring_The_Stange_Matter_Hypothesis_999.html
http://www.aas.org/publications/baas/v33n4/aas199/192.htm
http://www.exitmundi.nl/strange.htm
Youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQYXMqEwRxc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHT9RTlCqjQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXzugu39pKM&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1vKisefsuI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-nmH1p8FFo&eurl=http://www.badastronomy.com/bablog/2008/05/02/the-animated-atlas/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXjR-Jkrsvg&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cv2xQ68HLD0&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sono2Pu8Ak0&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHXsz1gud1Q&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsCPvYVCzGs&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0WWts0oaX0
Walter Wagner, Plaintiff of the Hawaii lawsuit, on Coast to Coast A.M. Radio:
Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EL2ghqv5mCg
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTTbVmxbqZM
Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oabjc8hr6n0
Part 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJQO-bkqBHw
Related Facebook groups:
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2381011834&ref=mf
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=12862957609
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2439781717
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=22232988840
[ [ [ [ [ [ [ [ PERSONAL ATTACKS WILL NO LONGER BE TOLERATED. KEEP TO THE ISSUES. PERSONAL ATTACKS AND SLANDER AS WELL AS OFFENSIVE POSTS WILL HAVE YOU REMOVED FROM THE GROUP. ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ]
THANK YOU FOR YOUR UNDERSTANDING. (read less)(By joining this group you are helping to ensure a future. This group is acting as an ONLINE PETITION to STOP the LHC project until a full risk assessment is provided)
LHC BEAM TESTING STARTS SPRING OF 2009.
RAISE AWARENESS.
THIS WILL BE THE BIGGEST EXPERIMENT IN HISTORY...
AND COULD QUITE WELL POSSIBLY BE THE LAST...
The impending startup of the Large Hadron Collider... It will start smashing protons together at 99.999994 percent of the speed of light Spring of 2009 at the... (read more) - Privacy Type:
- Open: All content is public.
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Recent News
- News:
- November 28, 2008:
No LHC until 2010?
http://blogs.nature.com/news/thegreatbeyond/2008/11/no_lhc_before_2010_1.html
September 25th, 2008:
Collider shut down until Spring of next year due to technical complications:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7632408.stm
September 4, 2008:
Information on court proceedings:
http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/09/02/1326534.aspx
September 2, 2008:
Professor Otto Rössler's last minute legal challenge filed to the European Court of Human Rights:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/2650665/Legal-bid-to-stop-CERN-atom-smasher-from-destroying-the-world.html
August 27, 2008:
First collisions set September 10, 2008 @ 0.45TeV, then 5TeV (largest collider experiement ever conducted) to follow within weeks:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2008/08/21/scilhc121.xml