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- THE FACTS:
1. Mormons make up only 2% of the population of California. There are approximately 750,000 LDS out of a total population of approximately 36 million.
2. If one estimates that 250,000 LDS are registered voters (the rest being children), then out of a total of 5,661,583 yes votes, LDS voters made up 4.4% of the Yes vote and 2.3% of the total Proposition 8 vote (11,050,301).
3. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons) donated no money to the Yes on 8 campaign (only spending legal, non-monetary, in-kind donations totaling $189,903.58, to cover the travel expenses of leaders, website creation and management, YouTube videos, and negligent publicity - a letter and a satellite broadcast). Individual members of the Church were encouraged to support the Yes on 8 efforts and, exercising their constitutional right to free speech, donated whatever they felt like donating.
4. The No on 8 campaign raised more money than the Yes on 8 campaign. Unofficial estimates put No on 8 at $38 million and Yes on 8 at $36 million, making it the most expensive non-presidential election in the country.
5. Advertising messages for the Yes on 8 campaign are based on case law and real-life situations. The No on 8 supporters have insisted that the Yes on 8 messaging is based on lies. Every Yes on 8 claim is supported.
6. The majority of our friends and neighbors voted Yes on 8. Los Angeles County voted in favor of Proposition 8. Ventura County voted in favor of Proposition 8. San Diego County voted in favor of Proposition 8. Orange County voted in favor of Proposition 8. San Luis Obispo County voted in favor of Proposition 8. Sacramento County voted in favor of Proposition 8. Fresno County voted in favor of Proposition 8. And the list goes on and on: Merced, San Bernardino, Riverside, Mariposa, Tulare, Imperial, etc.
7. African Americans overwhelmingly supported Yes on 8. Exit polls show that 70% of Black voters chose Yes on 8. This was interesting because the majority of these voters voted for President-elect Obama. No on 8 supporters had assumed that Obama voters would vote No on 8.
8. The majority of Latino voters voted Yes on 8. Exit polls show that the majority of Latinos supported Yes on 8 and cited religious beliefs (assumed to be primarily Catholic).
9. The Yes on 8 coalition was a broad spectrum of religious organizations. Catholics, Evangelicals, Protestants, Orthodox Jews, Muslims - all supported Yes on 8. It is estimated that there are 10 million Catholics and 10 million Protestants in California. Mormons were a tiny fraction of the population represented by Yes on 8 coalition members.
10. Though the Church urged its members to "do all [they] can to support the proposed constitutional amendment," not all Mormons voted in favor of Proposition 8. Our faith accords that each person be allowed to choose for him or her self. Church leaders have asked members to treat other members with "civility, respect and love," despite their differing views.
11. The Church did not violate the principal of separation of church and state. This principle is derived from the First Amendment to the United States Constitution, which reads, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof . . ." The phrase "separation of church and state", which does not appear in the Constitution itself, is generally traced to an 1802 letter by Thomas Jefferson, although it has since been quoted in several opinions handed down by the United States Supreme Court in recent years. The LDS Church is under no obligation to refrain from participating in the political process, to the extent permitted by law. U.S. election law is very clear that Churches may not endorse candidates, but may support issues. The Church has always been very careful on this matter and occasionally (not often) chooses to support causes that it feels to be of a moral nature.
12. Supporters of Proposition 8 did exactly what the Constitution provides for all citizens: they exercised their First Amendment rights to speak out on an issue that concerned them, make contributions to a cause that they support, and then vote in the regular electoral process. For the most part, this seems to have been done in an open, fair, and civil way. Opponents of 8 have accused supporters of being bigots, liars, and worse. The fact is, we simply did what Americans do - we spoke up, we campaigned, and we voted.
**Hang tight, folks. More info coming. I did not write these facts, a man named Kevin Hamilton did. I do not know him personally, just his name, but these facts are floating around the Internet, in e-mails and on blogs, like wildfire. So, I decided to research them (and tweak a few since I believe they were written before the final vote count) and start a group. I am compiling my list of sources that concur with the statements (they will be added to the bottom of the facts), but it's slow going while tending two little sick boys. Thank you for any interest. If the media wants to use these facts, they would need to contact Mr. Hamilton.
Please also note Mr. Hamilton's disclaimer that accompanied the original text:
"Any errors are mine and in no way reflect official Church policy or doctrine."
I wholeheartedly agree. If you would like official church statements about anything regarding Proposition 8, please direct your inquiries to the LDS Church headquarters in Salt Lake City.
Thank you!
Liz
SOURCES
1. http://www.newsroom.lds.org/ldsnewsroom/eng/contact-us/usa-california
http://www.census.gov/popest/states/NST-ann-est.html
2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_8_(2008)
3. http://newsroom.lds.org/ldsnewsroom/eng/commentary/church-clarifies-proposition-8-filing-corrects-erroneous-news-reports
4. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_8_(2008)
5. Here’s just a couple:
Legalization of same-sex marriage threatens parental rights:
Parker v. Hurley
http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid1815825713
http://www.conservapedia.com/Parker_v._Hurley
Legalization of same-sex marriage threatens religious freedoms:
Ocean Grove Camp Meeting Association v. Bernstein and Pester
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2007/sep/07091902.html
6. http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/individual/#CAI01
7. http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2008/11/70-of-african-a.html
8. http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2008/11/70-of-african-a.html
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/polls/#val=CAI01p1
9. http://www.protectmarriage.com/about/organization
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/resource.php?n=282
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/5050/story?id=6137237&page=1
http://www.forward.com/articles/14521/
http://510report.org/2008/11/08/fremont-muslims-vote-for-prop-8/
10. http://www.deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,705260852,00.html
http://newsroom.lds.org/ldsnewsroom/eng/commentary/the-divine-institution-of-marriage
11. http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_church_and_state_in_the_United_States#cite_note-0
http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_2008/aprqtr/pdf/26cfr1.501(c)(3)-1.pdf
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Also, many of you have sent links to blogs and websites in case I want to post them, but I think they would be better coming from you, my friends! You joined this group for a reason, now speak up and be heard...respectfully! :) (read less)THE FACTS:
1. Mormons make up only 2% of the population of California. There are approximately 750,000 LDS out of a total population of approximately 36 million.
2. If one estimates that 250,000 LDS are registered voters (the rest being children), then out of a total of 5,661,583 yes votes, LDS voters made up 4.4% of the Yes vote and 2.3% of the total Proposition 8 vote (11,050,301).
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- Get the Facts about the LDS Church and Proposition 8
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- Common Interest - Religion & Spirituality
- Description:
- THE FACTS:
1. Mormons make up only 2% of the population of California. There are approximately 750,000 LDS out of a total population of approximately 36 million.
2. If one estimates that 250,000 LDS are registered voters (the rest being children), then out of a total of 5,661,583 yes votes, LDS voters made up 4.4% of the Yes vote and 2.3% of the total Proposition 8 vote (11,050,301).
3. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons) donated no money to the Yes on 8 campaign (only spending legal, non-monetary, in-kind donations totaling $189,903.58, to cover the travel expenses of leaders, website creation and management, YouTube videos, and negligent publicity - a letter and a satellite broadcast). Individual members of the Church were encouraged to support the Yes on 8 efforts and, exercising their constitutional right to free speech, donated whatever they felt like donating.
4. The No on 8 campaign raised more money than the Yes on 8 campaign. Unofficial estimates put No on 8 at $38 million and Yes on 8 at $36 million, making it the most expensive non-presidential election in the country.
5. Advertising messages for the Yes on 8 campaign are based on case law and real-life situations. The No on 8 supporters have insisted that the Yes on 8 messaging is based on lies. Every Yes on 8 claim is supported.
6. The majority of our friends and neighbors voted Yes on 8. Los Angeles County voted in favor of Proposition 8. Ventura County voted in favor of Proposition 8. San Diego County voted in favor of Proposition 8. Orange County voted in favor of Proposition 8. San Luis Obispo County voted in favor of Proposition 8. Sacramento County voted in favor of Proposition 8. Fresno County voted in favor of Proposition 8. And the list goes on and on: Merced, San Bernardino, Riverside, Mariposa, Tulare, Imperial, etc.
7. African Americans overwhelmingly supported Yes on 8. Exit polls show that 70% of Black voters chose Yes on 8. This was interesting because the majority of these voters voted for President-elect Obama. No on 8 supporters had assumed that Obama voters would vote No on 8.
8. The majority of Latino voters voted Yes on 8. Exit polls show that the majority of Latinos supported Yes on 8 and cited religious beliefs (assumed to be primarily Catholic).
9. The Yes on 8 coalition was a broad spectrum of religious organizations. Catholics, Evangelicals, Protestants, Orthodox Jews, Muslims - all supported Yes on 8. It is estimated that there are 10 million Catholics and 10 million Protestants in California. Mormons were a tiny fraction of the population represented by Yes on 8 coalition members.
10. Though the Church urged its members to "do all [they] can to support the proposed constitutional amendment," not all Mormons voted in favor of Proposition 8. Our faith accords that each person be allowed to choose for him or her self. Church leaders have asked members to treat other members with "civility, respect and love," despite their differing views.
11. The Church did not violate the principal of separation of church and state. This principle is derived from the First Amendment to the United States Constitution, which reads, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof . . ." The phrase "separation of church and state", which does not appear in the Constitution itself, is generally traced to an 1802 letter by Thomas Jefferson, although it has since been quoted in several opinions handed down by the United States Supreme Court in recent years. The LDS Church is under no obligation to refrain from participating in the political process, to the extent permitted by law. U.S. election law is very clear that Churches may not endorse candidates, but may support issues. The Church has always been very careful on this matter and occasionally (not often) chooses to support causes that it feels to be of a moral nature.
12. Supporters of Proposition 8 did exactly what the Constitution provides for all citizens: they exercised their First Amendment rights to speak out on an issue that concerned them, make contributions to a cause that they support, and then vote in the regular electoral process. For the most part, this seems to have been done in an open, fair, and civil way. Opponents of 8 have accused supporters of being bigots, liars, and worse. The fact is, we simply did what Americans do - we spoke up, we campaigned, and we voted.
**Hang tight, folks. More info coming. I did not write these facts, a man named Kevin Hamilton did. I do not know him personally, just his name, but these facts are floating around the Internet, in e-mails and on blogs, like wildfire. So, I decided to research them (and tweak a few since I believe they were written before the final vote count) and start a group. I am compiling my list of sources that concur with the statements (they will be added to the bottom of the facts), but it's slow going while tending two little sick boys. Thank you for any interest. If the media wants to use these facts, they would need to contact Mr. Hamilton.
Please also note Mr. Hamilton's disclaimer that accompanied the original text:
"Any errors are mine and in no way reflect official Church policy or doctrine."
I wholeheartedly agree. If you would like official church statements about anything regarding Proposition 8, please direct your inquiries to the LDS Church headquarters in Salt Lake City.
Thank you!
Liz
SOURCES
1. http://www.newsroom.lds.org/ldsnewsroom/eng/contact-us/usa-california
http://www.census.gov/popest/states/NST-ann-est.html
2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_8_(2008)
3. http://newsroom.lds.org/ldsnewsroom/eng/commentary/church-clarifies-proposition-8-filing-corrects-erroneous-news-reports
4. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_8_(2008)
5. Here’s just a couple:
Legalization of same-sex marriage threatens parental rights:
Parker v. Hurley
http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid1815825713
http://www.conservapedia.com/Parker_v._Hurley
Legalization of same-sex marriage threatens religious freedoms:
Ocean Grove Camp Meeting Association v. Bernstein and Pester
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2007/sep/07091902.html
6. http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/individual/#CAI01
7. http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2008/11/70-of-african-a.html
8. http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2008/11/70-of-african-a.html
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/polls/#val=CAI01p1
9. http://www.protectmarriage.com/about/organization
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/resource.php?n=282
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/5050/story?id=6137237&page=1
http://www.forward.com/articles/14521/
http://510report.org/2008/11/08/fremont-muslims-vote-for-prop-8/
10. http://www.deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,705260852,00.html
http://newsroom.lds.org/ldsnewsroom/eng/commentary/the-divine-institution-of-marriage
11. http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_church_and_state_in_the_United_States#cite_note-0
http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_2008/aprqtr/pdf/26cfr1.501(c)(3)-1.pdf
NOTE:
Please do not be offended if I do not accept your friend invitations. I am wary of allowing "unknowns" to view my personal information for the safety and privacy of my children and family.
Also, many of you have sent links to blogs and websites in case I want to post them, but I think they would be better coming from you, my friends! You joined this group for a reason, now speak up and be heard...respectfully! :) (read less)THE FACTS:
1. Mormons make up only 2% of the population of California. There are approximately 750,000 LDS out of a total population of approximately 36 million.
2. If one estimates that 250,000 LDS are registered voters (the rest being children), then out of a total of 5,661,583 yes votes, LDS voters made up 4.4% of the Yes vote and 2.3% of the total Proposition 8 vote (11,050,301).
3. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons) donated no money to the Yes on 8... (read more) - Privacy Type:
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