On Fox News Sunday, Paul Ryan makes case for preventing tax hikes, cutting spending, and promoting pro-growth reforms

by Paul Ryan on Sunday, December 12, 2010 at 7:54am ·

Earlier today, Congressman Paul Ryan of Wisconsin joined Fox News Sunday with Chris Wallace to discuss the ongoing tax debate.  To watch the exchange with Paul Ryan, the top Republican on the House Budget Committee, and Maryland Rep. Chris Van Hollen, the next Ranking Democrat on the House Budget Committee: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-oc6RVeTB0  

 

Highlights:

 

Regarding Rep. Chris Van Hollen’s efforts to stop a bipartisan agreement to prevent tax increases because it does not go far enough to increase taxes [3:30]:

 

And so they’re willing to hold up all the tax breaks, all of the other tax rates on middle-class families and small businesses so they can get this smaller tax increase in the estate tax? I’m not going to get into the ‘who’s a hostage-taker’ discussion here.  What is the estate tax? It’s a double-tax on death.  Economists will tell you that it’s really not a tax that just soaks the rich, but it’s a tax on capital that deprives business investment, and therefore job creation.

 

Going to a 35% [estate tax] rate is not enough for Chris [Van Hollen] and other House Democrats, and so they’re willing to scuttle the entire agreement – an agreement which has bipartisan support in the Senate, an agreement with the President of the United States – an agreement to prevent tax increases from hitting our economy.

 

If the President bows to this pressure and participates in scuttling this deal, then what does that say about our ability to have confidence and bipartisanship in this new era of divided government?  How well will we be able to reach agreements that will stick if people are angry in parts of their party, and he unravels these deals? 

 

We are not interested in changing this deal.  We’re interested in passing this through.  We already have an agreement with the President and Senate Democrats.  If the Democrats in the House scuttle this deal, the first thing we do is to prevent these job-killing tax increases, which will have to be done retroactively after the first of the year.

 

Regarding mischaracterizations of the bill and what is at stake [6:17]:

 

This is a compromise, and there are parts of this bill I do not like.  The worst thing we can do is hit this economy with an across-the-board tax increase on everybody in January.  I don’t see this bill as a ‘stimulus.’  I see this bill as preventing further damage to the economy, not injecting growth into the economy.  If we don’t pass this, then we will have damage inflicted on this economy.

 

Only in Washington is ‘not raising taxes’ considered a ‘tax cut’.  We’re not cutting taxes. We’re preventing tax increases from occurring. We don’t see this as particularly stimulative; it just prevents bad policies from going forward.

 

Regarding Van Hollen’s admission that “we’re not going to hold this up at the end of the day” [9:49]:

 

I think Chris [Van Hollen] just made some news.  That’s fairly noteworthy because as of just a day or two ago, we were thinking they were going to do a ‘take it or leave it’ approach and scuttle this entire agreement.  If what Chris Van Hollen is saying is true and let this agreement come to a vote, and not rig the rules in the amendment process, then we might be able to move forward here.  That’s interesting to me.

 

Regarding Democrats’ continued rhetoric of division [10:11]:

 

Class warfare might make for good politics, but it makes for rotten economics. At the end of the day, we have to ask ourselves a question in this country: are we interested in treating the symptoms of poverty and economic stagnation through income redistribution and class warfare – or – do we want to go after the root causes of poverty and economic stagnation by promoting pro-growth policies and prosperity?  That is the difference of opinion here.

 

Regarding the urgent need to get a grip on spending and tackle the looming debt threat [11:20]:

 

We need to cut spending.  I find it sort of interesting that after this massive spending spree that took place over the last two years, the creation of two new health care entitlements, now there is concern about deficits when they have a chance of raising taxes.  We are not interested in raising taxes.  We’re going to come out of the gates going after spending – spending cuts, spending controls, and reforms to the structure of spending.

 

Regarding renewed interest in tax reform [11:57]:

 

If we get to the point of doing tax reform, which I think is important, we should go with a broader base and lower rates for economic growth.  Erskine Bowles, Alice Rivlin and other centrist Democrats agree with that premise.  I would love to see the chance of getting a compromise so we can have good pro-growth tax reform, not tax increases, but lowering rates so we can have economic growth in America.  That’s a step in the right direction.

 

To watch the full interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-oc6RVeTB0

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    • Jacob Hedrick Make way for Paul Ryan 2012
    • Dave Swiderski Glad to see you are making the rounds and making our case to the American people. Keep up the great work!
    • Bill Mauer As usual, good job Mr. Ryan.
    • Tom Reese Cutting spending is a great start. Start talking about ending the Federal Reserve and restoring Constitutional government and I'll gladly climb aboard.
    • Connie Pace
      We need you to stand tall and strong and SPEAK LOUDLY. The whole debate is being communicated badly. THERE ARE NO TAX CUTS ON THE TABLE, yet that's the rhetoric that is being used. I find myself often reminding people that if the government... has the right to take 35+% of anyones income, the government has the right to take 35+% of mine, yours, everyone's. INSIST on tax bill right now that addresses and contains ONLY the current tax rates - no other spending, credits, etc.See More
    • Adele DeLara Go Paul Ryan! I know your position is on this tax cut extension bill is not real popular with Tea Partiers, but I understand what you're saying a FULLY agree.
    • Bill Mauer I don't agree with any death tax. Why is death a taxable event? Taxes were paid on that money already. And the libs want to tax it again.
    • Jeff Halamka Eliminate Government waste and fraud. You shouldn't have to look far in Washington to find plenty of both.
    • Barb Dawson
      Everyone pay your bills this month? WE OWE FOR YOUR WARS! WE ALL HAVE TO PAY! paulie is a fake talks crap here in his district talks different crap to the nation. paulie on of the men that rubber stamped keeping funding for 2 wars of the bo...oks cause IT WAS ALL BOROWED MONEY MOSTLY FROM COMUNIST china! 50 billon a year WE pay just in intrest alone! Now borow more from saudi to pay for your TAX BREAK! YOU ARE ALL FRAUDS, YOU ARE ALL THE ENEMYSee More
    • Barb Dawson Oh ya saudi arabia WHERE 12 of the 9/11 TERORIST CAME FROM ASSCLOWNS
    • Edward McKinney Paul, WHERE WERE YOU when the self-proclaimed "war president", Bush, and YOU GUYS, got us into two wars......WITHOUT PAYING FOR THEM???
      Paul, Mr. Hair, TAKE A PAY CUT.
    • Edward McKinney By the way, Paul, from my standpoint, every penny I spend on YOUR TAXPAYER-FINANCED health care is a penny DOWN THE TOILET.
    • Bill Mauer Edward if you disagree with US policy, why didn't your liberal/socialist friends in Washington do anything about them during the last two years when they had complete control? Do you really want to start sounding like Mr. Corey?
    • Robert Yttri Good old voodoo economics. Stop digging the hole deeper. Tax cuts to your biggest benefactors does nothing but explode the deficit. Start representing all of us, not just those that line your pockets.
    • Steven Thompson Yttri is talking about lining pockets...
      Lets look at Doyle and the rest of the pockets that have been lined by your party... Sheesh...
    • Matthew Eigenauer
      Great interview, keep up the great work! It is class warfare and I think people have had enough. Jim morrison once said they may have the guns but we have the numbers. These idiots who want to increase taxes even one penny should really ...come over for dinner to my house one night. I can give them a history lesson pre Roosevelt era! I seriously think the majority of these people who want to raise taxes are so out of touch with your hard working Americans.See More
    • Bill Mauer ‎@Robert Yttri, Remember Robert, it's not a revenue problem, IT'S SPENDING!!
    • Wesley Swarens ‎@robert dont listen to the billster, just tune into bush blimball on the radio AM dial and you will hear anything the billster has to say including how any joesmo can take a peek at algore's tax records anytime they want too
    • Dallas J Fuller Wow, Paul's putting out alot of propaganda this morning!
    • Bill Graff Why isn't this hypercritical. You seem to be rationalizing your expected vote on the "tax compromise". You are against spending but you support a bill that spends $900B in new unfunded spending. How can you justify this???
    • Steven Thompson How 'bout them Packers!!!
      Not to change the subject or anything...
    • Dallas J Fuller
      Bill, here is my best interpretation of Paul's position.

      Paul recognizes the fact that the tax cuts for the top 2% are irresponsible and will not significantly contribute to a healthy economy. However, that is the Republican position so h...e must support it! He also knows that, when push comes to shove, he will vote to extend the UI benefits. So, it's really no compromise to agree to this deal. He thinks it makes him look like a champion for lower taxes while pointing to the Democrats as bargaining for big spending.

      The rest of the agreement is simply lowering taxes and providing relief for middle class and poverty strickened Americans which will actually be the more effective assistance to get the economy moving again! But, when it does get moving again, Paul and the Republicans will point to their demand that the upper 2% get their tax cut as the reason for that growth. It will be disgusting but many morons will believe them.

      That's my take...
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    • Mary Thompson I don't always agree with Paul but he is the voice of calm and reason in tribulant times and I appreciate that.
    • Nancy Anderson What about all those porky earmarks the demos patched on to the agreement made by Obama? Late the words changed to "framework" so that B.S. could be added on by the demos. I can't believe these jerks! I am DISGUSTED seeing Nancy Pelosi & Harry Reid. They are so crooked, dirty-dealing in all that they do. Politicans at their worse!!!
    • Bill Mauer
      Dallas, we need to be talking about what is really being proposed. There are NO tax cuts being talked about. This is about either keeping the tax rates for EVERYONE the same or raising taxes on your favorite ones to hate, the rich.
      I don't ...know about you but I pay taxes and I am glad that there are rich to pay a significant portion of the income taxes so I don't have to pay more. (the top 10% pay 70% of the income tax.)
      On all your posts, you never address the real problem, SPENDING!! Why is that?
      If you look at the comments I have "liked" you will find I am not in favor of the plan agreed to by our president. The republicans should vote NO now and wait until January and reduce the pork, because the real problem is SPENDING!!!
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    • Bill Jenkins Hats off to you for rejecting chris wallace's premise that the tax compromise lowers taxes and is therefore stimulative. Framing the debate...just what is needed.
    • Dallas J Fuller
      Bill, keeping the Bush tax cuts in place will continue to lose Treasury revenue and exacerbate the problem. They have lost well over $1.3T and are forecasted to lose almost $4T over the next 10 years!

      It's not that anyone "hates" the rich..., that is a rather stupid assessment of a democratic base who wants to establish a responsible fiscal policy while rebuilding the middle class.

      I am glad you feel so comfortable with the wealth of America being concentrated into fewer and fewer hands so you think you don't have to pay as much in taxes as the country goes bankrupt. Well, I know the trickle down policies have done nothing but create this giant gap in classes. When Democrats want to fill in that giant chasm, Republicans scream "class warfare" and there ignorant base believes them.

      So, what is being proposed by the Republicans is irresponsible fiscal policy. The realities of the situation suggest we should not be ignoring 25% of the problem! Since we all can agree that spending needs to decrease, I only discuss the revenue side because it seems to be the place where conservatives have the least comprehension of the problem.
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    • Aaron Hocking I am employed by "the rich," and have had good years when they have good years and bad when they have bad...I prefer good years, and prefer to keep my job. The rich don't lose money, they just adjust their business plans and lives to maintain their gains.
    • Bill Mauer Dalls, the treasury has "lost" nothing. They have confiscated less. I am employed by rich guys too. No raises and no bonuses the last two years. Small raise this year. Rock on rich guys, when you do better, so do I.
    • Dallas J Fuller So, Bill, you think trickle down has been equally beneficial to the wealthy and the middle class?!? Yeah, "rock on rich guys."

      Yes, "confiscating less" is losing revenue. You can call it what you want, it doesn't change the facts.
    • Tony Novinska
      Bill and Dallas, I truly believe that a flat tax along with complete and total overhaul of the tax code is the most basic thing we need to do. End the loopholes. Yes, in the 1940's and 1950's the top tax rate was as high as 91%, but nobod...y actually paid that. There are so many shelters and loopholes, it's impossible for the rich not to get richer, because they have access to the info that to common, middle-class person does not.

      My wife is a CPA and she even has a tough time keeping up with the tax code. In fact, most CPA's I know send in their client's tax returns with slight trepidation, with the fear of doing something wrong always in the back of their minds. Has either one of you actually dealt with the IRS in a one-on-one situation? I have. It's not fun. "Guilty until proven innocent" is their mantra. And, the worst part, if you talk to multiple agents, you will get multiple answers and "interpretations" on what they are accusing you of.

      I was completely cleared of anything and, in fact, I even got a half-hearted apology from one Agent - LOL We can sit and wax poetic all day (and judging from Dallas, mine and Bill's argumentative stamina, we may just do that! HA!) but the bottom line to all of this, is that a flat tax would help greatly in leveling the playing field.
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    • Dallas J Fuller
      Tony, I agree that the tax codes need a complete overhaul! I have come to the conclusion that our current codes are too complex and intrusive and that a simple, predominantly consumption based tax code would be more conducive to economic g...rowth and promote responsible economic activity.

      However, I think we need to level the playing field again by getting our debt paid back with more assistance coming from those who prospered most from the previous tax codes. Changing the rules now when the class gap between the rich and the middle class is greatest isn't in our clollective best interests.
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    • Tony Novinska
      Dallas, I have to hand it to you. You are the best at arguing in gray areas - areas that are very hard to quantify an answer to. You see, "those who prospered" is the very definition of gray area. Why? Because of the word, "prosper". A...lso, because it's not just on the GOP watch. Remember that Bush I was the one to famously go back on his "read my lips" and raised taxes anyway. That was the TRUE start to Clinton's surplus years. That can be found in the NY Times last week as well - btw...

      Clinton resided over a dot com turned dot BOMB where it's pretty much proven that a LOT of those gains were "fake" as in the gains experienced in the housing bubble under the GOP.

      Simply taking from those that prosper and giving to those that don't - that's where, idealogically, you and I part ways.
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    • Bill Mauer Yea Dallas, rock on rich guys because when they do better, so do I. I have never been employed by a poor person. Not sure anyone has, unless you are, then the prospects are limted.
    • Dallas J Fuller
      Tony, I am not purposely trying to be gray. As a matter of fact, I am trying to be very black and white with my opinions.

      Yes, Bush 41 reversed some of the trickle down policies, what he knew was "voo doo economics" but it was Clinton w...ho made the biggest impact. I don't mind giving Bush 41 some credit, he was a relatively smart man and not bad as president.

      And, yes the dot com bubble did inflate the revenues to help create the surplus. The point is that we were surging towards a surplus until Bush 43 took over. And, even during his massive housing bubble years we weren't close to having a surplus!

      And, my ideology revolves arond the assumption that the strength of the US revolves around the strength of the middle class. Obama is trying to strengthen the middle class. yes, it is at the expense of the wealthy. So, if you think the strength of the US revolves around the wealthy and the concentration of wealth into fewer and fewer hands then you will think Obama is destroying America. That may be where you and I part ways! As always, take care Tony!
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    • Dallas J Fuller
      Bill, the vast majority of us are employed by the poor and the middle class. Keep increasing the size of th epoor and decreasing the size of the middle class and watch how many jobs continue to disintegrate!

      We are not a great country bas...ed upon the generosity of the rich and wealthy to simply create jobs at their whim. We are a great country because of the work ethic of the middle class and the poor. I think they should be rewarded for that work ethic with a standard of living that continues to improve, not one that continues to disappear.See More
    • Bill Mauer Dallas, what did Clinton do that made the "biggest impact"
    • Dallas J Fuller Here is a good summary Bill:

      http://clinton5.nara.gov/WH/Accomplishments/eightyears-03.html

      I have to go now. But, I would be more than glad to continue the discussion later. Take care Bill!
    • Bill Mauer Clinton propaganda. Statisicts not attributed to Clinton, nothing done without the republican congess making him. Nice try Dallas.
    • Wesley Swarens he made a surplus, he had social security healing itself, he didnt take crap off republicans tryin to spend out social security and ruin it for everyone else. what did the republicans do from 1994 til 2006; NOTHING BUT TRY and spend spend spend uptil 2001 and then they did spend spend spend, that answer your question. go read a history book and stop reading peace plans for isreal
    • Rivervalley Conservatives do not pass the tax cut extensions until January where a much cleaner bill can be made.
    • Tony Novinska
      Wes, now you're finally delusional - here's a history of Social Security.

      Franklin Delano Roosevelt

      (Terms of Office March 4, 1933, to April 12, 1945), a Democrat, introduced the Social Security (FICA) Program.
      ...
      He promised:

      1.) That participation in the Program would be Completely voluntary,
      2.) That the participants would only have to pay 1% of the first $1,400 of their annual Incomes into the Program,
      3.) That the money the participants elected to put Into the
      Program would be deductible from Their income for tax purposes each year,
      4.) That the money the participants put into the Independent 'Trust Fund' rather than into the General operating fund, and therefore, would Only be used to fund the Social Security Retirement Program, and no other Government program, and
      5.) That the annuity payments to the retirees would never be taxed as income.

      Since many of us have paid into FICA for years and are now receiving a Social Security check every month and then finding that we are getting taxed on 85% of the money we paid to the Federal government to “put away” you may be interested in the following…

      1958 is the first year that Congress voted to remove funds from Social Security and put it into the General Fund for Congress to spend.

      It was a democratically Controlled Congress.

      From what I understand, Congress logic at that time was that there was so much money in Social Security Fund that it would never run out / be used up for the purpose it was intended / set aside for.

      Question: Which Political Party took Social Security from the Independent 'Trust Fund' and put it into the General Fund so that Congress could spend it?

      Answer: It was Lyndon B. Johnson (Democrat, Term Of Office: November 22, 1963 to January 20, 1969) and the democratically Controlled House and Senate.

      Question: Which Political Party eliminated the income tax Deduction For Social Security (FICA) withholding?

      Answer: The Democratic Party

      Question: Which Political Party started taxing Social Security annuities?

      Answer: The Democratic Party, with Albert Arnold Gore, Jr. (Al Gore) [Vice President Term of Office: January 20, 1993 to January 20, 2001, casting the 'tie-breaking' deciding vote as President of the Senate, while he was Vice President of the US.

      Question: Which Political Party decided to start giving Annuity payments to immigrants?
      Answer: That's right! James Earl Carter, Jr. (Jimmy Carter) (Democrat, Term of Office: January 20, 1977 to January 20, 1981) and the Democratic Party.

      Immigrants moved into this country, and at age 65, began to receive Social Security payments!
      The Democratic Party gave these payments to them, even though they never paid a dime into it!

      Then, after violating the original contract (FICA), the Democrats turn around and tell you that the Republicans want to take your Social Security away!

      And the worst part about it is uninformed citizens believe it!

      If enough people see this, maybe a seed of awareness will be planted and maybe changes will evolve. Maybe not, because some Democrats are awfully sure of what isn't so.

      Actions speak louder than bumper stickers.

      AND CONGRESS GIVES THEMSELVES 100% RETIREMENT FOR ONLY SERVING ONE TERM!

      "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have." -- Thomas Jefferson
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    • Rizvic Almir hello paul me name almir rizvic please help cut taxs for midle clas thanks so moch