All the bickering between the anti war movement, the liberty movement, the truth movement, and the end the fed movement is killing all four movements, and at the same time gives the elite scum of the world time to regroup and counter attack. We have succeeded at spreading the word, making more aware, and killing the corporate Press, but we have to BAND TOGETHER if we want to beat the corporatocracy, aka the Elites.

How is End the Fed divisive? How are the liberty movement and the anti-war movement mutually exclusive?

Completely agreed. Guantanamo and everything related to it is a sham, and a complete violation of civil liberties.

It's not a sham. It's part of the gov't to keep us safe. These are people that want to kill us just because we are Americans & Christians. It has already been proven whe Obama set some prisoners free after just a few days in office that those terrorist prisioners were already back in a terrorist camp with in hours of being released. They will come after us or someone else again. I am a mother who protects her family. That camp is where the US protects Americans. One less safety net now. Thanks.

So as long as circumventing the law and forsaking principles that made America great is done in the name of keeping us safe, that makes it ok, right?

@Jennifer - Upon closer inspection of the C4L platform you'll discover you probably don't belong on it.

I'm really tired of neocons joining C4L without comprehending its consistent and principled message; you can't pick and choose when to support liberty.

Sean...Amen.

@Sean - on the other hand, if neo-cons, liberals, and others don't join C4L, we are just "preaching to the choir." When we see their misguided comments, we should be polite and explain why they are wrong.

Been saying the same for quite some time Sean.
They couldn't stop or destroy us during the campaign so now they will try to do it from within.

Keep the Tar and Feathers handy for when that day comes.

amen to Bob - attitudes like Sean's are what have kept me away for years and for pledging $$. The "member's only" mentality isn't helping you guys.

if you believe in unalienable rights then you should believe they apply to all people. Just because their government or culture doesn't not recognize them, does not mean that we can also ignore them in our dealings with them.

Rick..If by "members only" you mean people who believe in the U.S. Constitution...Then the reason for you "staying away" must mean that you don't support nor believe in it.

Truth and Freedom are two things you will never attain if your opinions are based on info fed to you by the likes of Rush,Glen or Bill.

@Bob and Rick - I agree... usually I'm not the one jumping down people's throats like that. So, I apologize, Jennifer, but I still disagree with you. I spoke too quickly because I've been particularly irritated today at the health bill stuff. Not to change the subject, but I'm upset with the support for this bill and I'm disgusted that so many people at the rally in Washington today embraced hateful language and imagery when they should have focused on the message of liberty.

@Bill: and we'll get truth from the MSM? Surely even YOU don't believe that! America's freedoms are being eroded one by one and right now it's in hyperdrive by the Obama machine.

no Bill, by "members only" I mean people who say you have to agree with us 100%, or else "stay away". Some people need to be educated about reasons why certain things are not constitutional, and other things are. By telling people who are ASKING QUESTIONS, and SHOWING AN INTEREST, to go F-off (pardon my french), then you are only hurting your, excuse me, the cause.

Regardless of what political ideology one embraced prior to finding C4L, new members are encouraged to read the platform, as I suggested. They might find things in direct contrast with their views. But I'll point out that not everyone is willing to fully appreciate the message of liberty.

Sounds like you know it all Sean?

Wow Sean, again, it's C4L members with attitudes like yours which is why to this point, I've contributed as much as buying a REALLY cool t-shirt. The movement will get nowhere with that patronizing attitude. It seems to me to be pretty prevalent throughout the libertarian movement as well. Shame, because I more closely relate to their ideals than any other organized group.

It's time for a dose of positive liberty

OK, so what I said was incredibly condescending. Of course there's room for debate in any movement. And rather than trying to "silence all opposition" by pointing people to the C4L platform and saying "take it or leave it", I'll try my best not to act like I know it all. Obviously, I don't.

Rick..Absolutly agree .We are never going to be in agreement 100% of the time.
But we must agree that the things we support are INLINE with the Constitution.

But when someone post to a topic is clearly slanted towards an AGENDA (left/right...doesnt matter) Then that person is putting themselves out there to be attacked..and it my opinion rightfully so.
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WWJD..(what would Jefferson Do)

OMG. Did I just witness something like a rational resolution to a conflict born out of emotional outbursts and frustration? ON THE INTERNET??!!? I'm dreaming, dead, or you are paid actors. Or no, maybe... nah, that feels too much like hope.

Olivia Boyer...No where did I mention MSN,CNN because its not their agenda's being spewed in some post..if it were I'd have stated as much.

By no means was this an endorsement of the Left side of that dial.....not by a long shot.

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They say Americans have a very short term memory and you know what....They are right.

Lol..Mr. Sewell, Just exercising my birthright.

(This message is a paid endorsement brought you by the people who wrote the Constitution and all those who stand and fight Tyranny)

So... now I'd like to address Jennifer's comment. First, I reject the notion that this country is justified in violating the natural rights of human beings, even if they are suspected of terrorism. I agree with the author's conclusion that American civil courts are quite capable of trying suspected terrorists if there is truly a sound case ... See Moreagainst them. Surely crimes against this country and its citizens should not go unpunished, and justice should be served, but none of that justifies torture or suspension of the writ of habeas corpus. Second, I disagree that people intend to harm Americans because we enjoy some freedoms they might not have. I believe some of our country's policies and actions attract negative attention and draw some people to incite violence against us. Unfortunately, our foreign policy doesn't always jive with the ideals of peace, free trade, non-aggression, and non-interventionism that our Founding Fathers advocated.

Sounds like al-Marri came to his senses and became a libertarian leaning muslim: "I forcefully reject any sort of violence for religious, political or other reasons"!

"Libertarian" Muslim? Regardless of violence or terrorism, I have yet to meet a Muslim who is tolerant of secular democratic republics like the US.

I havn't meet a muslim that is tolerant either.

I'd only clarify to say that I've met muslims a-plenty who have 0 interest in living in or supporting any kind of theocracy, but like with many truly religious people, true social tolerance, and outright libertarianism, can be a stretch. Doesn't mean they can't be taught though. I truly believe anyone can be taught the benefits of this country's libertarian basis.

Daniel..Since when has the US. been or even remotely acted like a democratic republic?

What we are ment to be and what we are in reality are two very different things.

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If the later is the case...I'm sorry and your absolutly right.

Gald you caught the libertarian "LEANING" religious irony Daniel.

Where were all you assholes when Bush was shitting on the Constitution?

Mike, This asshole was writing in Dr. Paul! Don't blame me I voted libertarian, again!

@Skip: Hotair.com rocks!!!

@ Don: not much longer. The interest alone is close to swallowing up the entire budget. The second show to drop here shortly will be the collapse of the commercial real estate industry. FDIC is already bankrupt and asking for more funds. We need a government willing to chop their budget by 2/3s. Never going to happen.

Well put James.

well done James...."THEY" create the problem then offer the solution...

The whole interstate insurance debate is a scam. Government blocks free trade and then acts like there is something wrong, and then has to come to our aid instead of simply allowing us to buy insurance across state lines! What a joke.

I wrote AARp the following letter:
Addison Barry Rand, CEO

AARP
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601 E. Street, NW

Washington, DC 20049

Dear Mr. Rand,

As members of AARP for 17 years, we vehemently oppose the organization’s support of the administration’s health care legislation. We do not support any part of a government-run healthcare system. CANCEL OUR MEMBERSHIP EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY!

We:

Oppose the $400 billion cut in Medicare.
Oppose ending the Medicare Advantage program that helps offer low cost supplemental coverage to the elderly for hearing aids, eyeglasses, and a variety of benefits not covered by Medicare. Now the only way to supplement Medicare will be Medigap coverage, largely offered by the AARP that is both more expensive and less comprehensive.
Oppose the fine of $1,000 on the uninsured will not induce them to get coverage. To be covered, they would have to pay between 8 and 12 percent of their income before they get any subsidy. How would a $1,000 fine induce them to pay that much to get coverage?
Oppose the rise of insurance premiums by $1,700 per family per year.
Oppose a bill that provides for a 40% tax on health insurance premiums.
Oppose taxes on Medical devices like pacemakers, heart valves, artificial limbs, replacement hips and knees.
Oppose Taxes on those who have to pay 7 1/2 percent of their income in medical costs that will no longer be deductible.
Oppose the legislation that will limit deduction of our premiums only if payments reach 10% of their income. THIS IS A TAX ON SICK PEOPLE!

Under “Managed Care”, our choices will be limited much like a HMO.

Does the AARP support government paid abortions or minority preferences to doctors and health care providers? This is a provision!

In conclusion, we do not support any thing that our government would be involved in because it will cost more, provide a more complex system and would control my rights given me by our constitution.

Sincerely

Richard H. & Katherine E. Olson

Membership #059360124

Cc: Deborah Sprague- AARP NH