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The Thinking Person's Guide to Autism
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June 10, 2011 at 6:14pm
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Pediatricians, please pay attention to
Seth Mnookin
's solution to vaccine paranoia: prenatal discussions with expectant parents (in WaPo):
http://goo.gl/JB9iu
-SR
An early cure for parents’ vaccine panic
www.washingtonpost.com
The fears feeding a measles resurgence.
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Dave Korpi
I disagree with the article in it's assumption vaccine anxiety is misplaced... I'm not anti-vaccine, but there is plenty of evidence to support that autism (and other disorders) can be attributed to dysfunction if a bodies auto-immune system.... while I do not believe that vaccines cause autism per se, there certainly needs to be more research done... calling concerned parents paranoid is both condescending and elitist!
June 10, 2011 at 8:01pm
Dave Korpi
http://
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/
pubmed/20160651
June 10, 2011 at 8:02pm
Dave Korpi
http://jcn.sagepub.com/
content/14/6/388.short
June 10, 2011 at 8:03pm
Dave Korpi
http://www.jleukbio.org/
content/80/1/1.abstract
June 10, 2011 at 8:03pm
Dave Korpi
http://
www.jni-journal.com/
article/
S0165-5728%2808%2900490-6/
abstract
June 10, 2011 at 8:03pm
The Thinking Person's Guide to Autism
We are supporters of evidence-based information, and encouraging concerned parents to pursue just that. The URLs you cite have to do with immune responses, true, but not one abstract cites vaccines. You do realize that this means the non-weakened version of the diseases in question, or indeed any qualified pathogen, would be a much larger risk than a vaccine? -SR
June 10, 2011 at 10:56pm
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Hi PMA, thanks for the thoughtful commentary. I believe the problem is that many folks consider autism & vaccines to be a binary, either-or discussion -- when discussions of vaccines should always be about risk, and understanding that, desp
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ite extensive efforts, no credible study has found an association between vaccines and autism. My understanding is that is what Mr. Mnookin would like pediatricians to address. The risks are real, but extremely minimal -- especially compared to the risks of contracting the diseases themselves, including the "mild" ones like chickenpox/varicella. And the risks do not, based on current available research, include autism.
The main sense I had in coming off of IMFAR is that the more research we do, the more factors we find,
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June 11, 2011 at 6:42am
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...the more we realize that autism is likely not only a multifactorial condition, but that it is an as-yet unpredictable one, with current idiopathic diagnoses having possibly unique genetic manifestations from person to person -- resultin
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g in different symptom and behavior sets. So yes indeed, we need a systems approach. And we are just beginning. Can't wait to see what we know ten years from now.
As for autism and immune response, readers can see for themselves how many IMFAR sessions & papers addressed this issue via the abstract db:
http://imfar.confex.com/
imfar/2011/webprogram/
start.html
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June 11, 2011 at 6:47am
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...and that was me both times. -SR
June 11, 2011 at 6:47am
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Thanks for the information. You and I are willing to have discussions about these matters, with the understanding that there are subtle factors and exception and possibilities and more work to do. We've addressed the need for more investiga
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tion before on TPGA, in
Emily Willingham
's Mitochodrial disease/autism post:
http://
thinkingautismguide.blogspo
t.com/2011/03/
mitochondrial-disease-and-a
utism-linked.html
But, to get back to the original matter -- most expectant aren't looking for complex discussions about vaccines and autism. And, as pediatrician Pierrette Mimi Poinsette has pointed out, pediatricians don't always have time to discuss vaccine risks at all, let alone qualify them at length.
Folks aware of the matter's true complexity are often hesitant to discuss it at all, especially in autism forums, due to (I hate to write this but) non-critical thinkers who cherry-pick for the "AHA! YOU ADMITTED THAT VACCINES CAUSE AUTISM" factor. When, if we're going to look at this from a mitochondrial or immune perspective, then vaccines are only one in a possible set of environmental stressors, for small subsets of the population, and unpredictably so. Again, it's all about risks.
We need a short sharp takeaway for concerned expectant parents. And that needs to be that vaccine benefits outweigh any risks. -SR
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June 11, 2011 at 7:38am
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Pierrette Mimi Poinsett
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Seth Mnookin
, care to weigh in? -SR
June 11, 2011 at 7:38am
Melissa Bowles Martin
Speaking not as an expert but as a parent - my major concern is that herd immunity is slowly being reduced because of what I see as a MISPLACED fear about the risks of vaccination. Risk is the operative word here. Nothing is without risk
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but to compromise the hard work of health authorities over many years because of as yet unproven causality is just tragic. Anything that could put this topic in perspective for parents is important and necessary.
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June 11, 2011 at 2:09pm
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Heather Davis
as a mother of an autistic child i can with full confidence say that my child was born with autism. knowing what i know now about autism i know for a fact that vacinations had nothing to do with my boy having autism. but i do know i would never like to see him with any of the horrible diseases that he has been vacinated against to try and prevent him getting sick or dying of.
June 11, 2011 at 4:29pm
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Melissa Bowles Martin
With respect, I do not believe autism is a "disease" so we disagree there. You are arguing the merits of various types of logic but what this post was originally about was helping medical professionals to help parents so that they can make
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an informed decision. As I stated originally, it is about understanding risk. The risk of my child developing autism from a vaccine or the risk of my child contracting an infectious disease with potentially serious complications. Not to mention the even greater risk to the community at large from outbreaks of preventable disease.
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June 12, 2011 at 12:55pm