PPSMI: Apa kata anda?
Topic: PPSMI: Apa kata anda?

Post #1
Rizal wroteon April 27, 2009 at 9:47pm
Salam. Group KULN Facebook sedang berusaha untuk mengumpulkan pandangan anak muda dari serata dunia tentang isu PPSMI.
InsyaAllah pandangan saudara-saudari akan dibawa ke pihak atasan dan kementerian sebagai salah satu input dari KULN tentang isu ini.
Minta kerjasama semua utk berkongsi pendapat, pandangan atau pun coretan ringkas setuju atau tidak (berserta sebab) kerajaan meneruskan usaha ini.
PPSMI, apa kata anda?
InsyaAllah pandangan saudara-saudari akan dibawa ke pihak atasan dan kementerian sebagai salah satu input dari KULN tentang isu ini.
Minta kerjasama semua utk berkongsi pendapat, pandangan atau pun coretan ringkas setuju atau tidak (berserta sebab) kerajaan meneruskan usaha ini.
PPSMI, apa kata anda?

Post #2
Haerris wroteon April 27, 2009 at 10:00pm
I think that PPSMI should be retained. As WAWASAN 2020 the vision of Malaysia being a 1st world country in 2020 is far from being achieved. Therefore we have to start broadening our scope and develop our country from the roots which is education. With an english education in maths and science we are then able to put Malaysia on the globe and compete with other nations. Furthermore, it develops our communication skills as well. We should start teaching maths and science from the very bottom of the education system and retrain the teachers as this would be a well worth investment for the future or else we would be left out. If you look at all the developed nations all of them spend most of their resources on education and this is why those countries can strive to be better and more successful and recognised. Therefore Malaysia should pay more attention and enforce the teaching of maths and science in english at all cost. Adding to that, I believe that Bahasa Malaysia should also be retained to keep our pride and colourful tradition alive.
Hope that helps =]
Hope that helps =]

Post #3
Syahril-Ikhwan wroteon April 27, 2009 at 10:53pm
lidah masyarakat malaysia terutama orang melayu masih lagi lekat dengan bahasa melayu.. jadi bila sains dan mathematic diajar dalam bahasa inggeris susah lah ilmu tu nak lekat.. lagi satu cikgu2 kat sekolah pun terkial2 bahasa inggeris apatah lagi nak mengajar anak2 murid dia.. jadi elok kembalikan lah ke bahasa melayu sebelum terlambat.. aku belajar bahasa melayu sains dan math dulu ok jer boleh blajar sampai oversea.. boleh tangkap apa yang lecturer ajar bukan sebab bahasa inggeris mantap tapi sebab asas mathematic dan sains mantap sejak kecik..

Post #4
Bil wroteon April 27, 2009 at 11:00pm
Aww… such good gossip! Lol! So much controversy regarding this case which I don’t seem a slight problem to anyone (students basically) but the nasty political games.
If learning in English is such a huge problem since it is seems to be something ‘new in the fab world’, how about learning a new subject? For instance, a Sakai has to learn about the computer which he never knew what the hell ‘computer’ is before, yet he still has to in order to live the world, not just in the jungle. The same case here, if Malaysians never knew English before, in order to live the globalization, they HAVE to somehow. They OUGH to! It’s an obligation to our necessity. Unless if Malaysia is the center of the world where every creature in the world is depending on us, then we can expect them to learn Bahasa instead of us learning English. Dreaming~~
Learning is always and forever about something new in which obstacles come along the way.
Pendek kata, kalau tak nak belajar dalam English, lebih baik tak yah blajar langsung la! Pegi dok rumah jaga ayam!
If learning in English is such a huge problem since it is seems to be something ‘new in the fab world’, how about learning a new subject? For instance, a Sakai has to learn about the computer which he never knew what the hell ‘computer’ is before, yet he still has to in order to live the world, not just in the jungle. The same case here, if Malaysians never knew English before, in order to live the globalization, they HAVE to somehow. They OUGH to! It’s an obligation to our necessity. Unless if Malaysia is the center of the world where every creature in the world is depending on us, then we can expect them to learn Bahasa instead of us learning English. Dreaming~~
Learning is always and forever about something new in which obstacles come along the way.
Pendek kata, kalau tak nak belajar dalam English, lebih baik tak yah blajar langsung la! Pegi dok rumah jaga ayam!

Post #5
1 reply
Bil wroteon April 27, 2009 at 11:13pm
come on syahril.. sampai bila nak mcm tu??! biar terkial2 sekarang, rather than dah tua2. bila dah sambung blajar, bila perlu tau dlm english, baru nak terkial2 translate bm to english. dah tua2 otak dah atropy, blaja bende baru pun dah tak effective. biar ajar dari kecik, bersusah2 dulu, bersenang2 kemudian.
and u know how silly science/maths terms are when they are translated into BM. LOL!
oh yea, not forgotten, the nation first has to refine our culture which not only based on traditions (for this case, our mother tongue) but also includes the appearance of pride and dignity. If we are too stubborn and reluctant to communicate in English where other big huge gigantic countries do, then we’ll be so far out left behind, not even in the race. Malu je!!! Come on, where is our pride??!! We gotta stand up, and SPEAK UP! And if we’re speaking Bahasa in the world’s congress… can the Jamaican and Eskimos understand us? Ish, malu malu!!!~ Then bila ada orang Malaysia yang buat malu mcm tu dkt world congress, nnt satu Malaysia malu & mula lah tanak mengaku diri tu warga Malaysia.
anyway, science and maths je... lain la klau dorg nak buat PPBMI (P& P Bahasa Melayu dlm Inggeris), mmg nak kena cubit la tu~
and u know how silly science/maths terms are when they are translated into BM. LOL!
oh yea, not forgotten, the nation first has to refine our culture which not only based on traditions (for this case, our mother tongue) but also includes the appearance of pride and dignity. If we are too stubborn and reluctant to communicate in English where other big huge gigantic countries do, then we’ll be so far out left behind, not even in the race. Malu je!!! Come on, where is our pride??!! We gotta stand up, and SPEAK UP! And if we’re speaking Bahasa in the world’s congress… can the Jamaican and Eskimos understand us? Ish, malu malu!!!~ Then bila ada orang Malaysia yang buat malu mcm tu dkt world congress, nnt satu Malaysia malu & mula lah tanak mengaku diri tu warga Malaysia.
anyway, science and maths je... lain la klau dorg nak buat PPBMI (P& P Bahasa Melayu dlm Inggeris), mmg nak kena cubit la tu~
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Post #7
Izati wroteon April 27, 2009 at 11:35pm
i think we should just go on with ppsmi...we have implemented it before, and it wasn't that bad at all right? students still scored pretty well in their big exams anyway...so i don't see why we should stop something that we have started so long (maybe not too long =p ) which turned out to be quite goooood...
perhaps this issue is brought up yet again because of politic matters...they politicize this issue to gain votes in the election or something.. =p this is a BIG no-no...i mean, yes, that's what politic is all bout -- the art of manipulating an issue to acquire influences from people...but, please, in this particular matter, just try to put that politic thingy aside...we are dealing with our future generations here!
there's no use to go 'back and forth' in this matter....our students are not some kind of lab 'speciments' that the ministry of education could simply experiment with...just stick to one method, and keep improving it so that it gives way to the success of our education system...
by the way, the tertiary education uses english as the medium of learnin...so why not if we just expose our students with the english terms in maths and science in their primary and secondary education? that would be a lot easier for them when they further their study up to the next level... kan kan??? betul tak?? =)
it's not that i'm hijackin Bahasa Melayu by agreeing with ppsmi.. i am a Malay, and i would be simply mad if anyone dare to challenge the authenticity of Bahasa Melayu as our national language... it's just that i think having science and maths tought in english won't affect Bahasa Melayu... not at all... in fact, we could positively gain more benefits from that in a long term, Insya-Allah...
perhaps this issue is brought up yet again because of politic matters...they politicize this issue to gain votes in the election or something.. =p this is a BIG no-no...i mean, yes, that's what politic is all bout -- the art of manipulating an issue to acquire influences from people...but, please, in this particular matter, just try to put that politic thingy aside...we are dealing with our future generations here!
there's no use to go 'back and forth' in this matter....our students are not some kind of lab 'speciments' that the ministry of education could simply experiment with...just stick to one method, and keep improving it so that it gives way to the success of our education system...
by the way, the tertiary education uses english as the medium of learnin...so why not if we just expose our students with the english terms in maths and science in their primary and secondary education? that would be a lot easier for them when they further their study up to the next level... kan kan??? betul tak?? =)
it's not that i'm hijackin Bahasa Melayu by agreeing with ppsmi.. i am a Malay, and i would be simply mad if anyone dare to challenge the authenticity of Bahasa Melayu as our national language... it's just that i think having science and maths tought in english won't affect Bahasa Melayu... not at all... in fact, we could positively gain more benefits from that in a long term, Insya-Allah...

Post #8
Tg Zam wroteon April 27, 2009 at 11:36pm
i agree with Saudara Shafwan.. if the Japanese n Russians can learn science and mathematics in their own language why cant we... that being said... the standard of our english has to also improve... we cant just expect to have good english by learning math n science in english...so my conclusion is... let science and math be in BM but increase the standard of English taught in school..
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Post #10
Shamimi wroteon April 28, 2009 at 4:06am
salam. what a healthy discussion. :)
pada pendapat saya, eloklah PPSMI diteruskan.
isu guru yg tidak lancar bahasa inggeris, insyaAllah dapat diatasi berperingkat-peringkat. Selain kursus bahasa utk guru2 yg sedia ada, program penghantaran bakal-bakal guru di luar negara adalah satu langkah utk memantapkan imej dan kualiti guru-guru matematik dan sains di Malaysia. Pelapis-pelapis guru ini dirancangkan akan menjadi tenaga pengajar yg kalaupun tidak berpengalaman banyak mengajar, tetapi pastinya akan menghadapi kurang masalah bahasa dan seterusnya dapat memantapkan lagi usaha kerajaan utk menjayakan PPSMI.
p/s: i'm one of the mathematic degree seeker for this cause. :)
pada pendapat saya, eloklah PPSMI diteruskan.
isu guru yg tidak lancar bahasa inggeris, insyaAllah dapat diatasi berperingkat-peringkat. Selain kursus bahasa utk guru2 yg sedia ada, program penghantaran bakal-bakal guru di luar negara adalah satu langkah utk memantapkan imej dan kualiti guru-guru matematik dan sains di Malaysia. Pelapis-pelapis guru ini dirancangkan akan menjadi tenaga pengajar yg kalaupun tidak berpengalaman banyak mengajar, tetapi pastinya akan menghadapi kurang masalah bahasa dan seterusnya dapat memantapkan lagi usaha kerajaan utk menjayakan PPSMI.
p/s: i'm one of the mathematic degree seeker for this cause. :)

Post #11
Raihana wroteon April 28, 2009 at 4:11am
A very interesting topic for us to discuss here...
I honestly think that PPSMI is a good idea for the education system but I however do not agree with the implementation of the program. An idea like this which involves the future of Malaysia's generation should not be something that you decide overnight then launched a day after (this is just a metaphor of course). All I'm saying is, a program like this must have a proper planning before it is implemented and it has to have steps.
In my opinion, the main step is to tackle the core of the program itself which in this case... the teachers. The teachers' English level should be perfected first before they are even allowed to teach their subjects in English and this to me is not something you can achieve in a split second. If the teachers are taking courses and being taught to improve their English level while supposedly teaching to "improve" others... how can the main goal ever be achieved. If the foundation is not strong enough then failure is no longer a hypothesis but rather a conclusion.
Seeing how things turn out now... its really sad to see how rapid Malay students are falling behind others in these two core subjects.
Sebab dulu anak Melayu mungkin kurang cemerlang dalam bahasa Inggeris tapi sekurang-kurangnya mereka cemerlang dalam Matematik dan Sains dan ini telah melayakkan mereka untuk ke IPTA atau ke luar negara. Tapi sekarang bukan sahaja anak Melayu gagal dalam peperiksaan bahasa Inggeris tapi juga dalam Matematik dan Sains sedangkan anak bangsa lain sedang berlumba-lumba untuk cemerlang dalam bahasa Melayu. Dan yang rugi akhirnya bangsa kita juga.
That is why I highly agree with T Zam Uzir regarding the matter we must improve the level of English in Malay students first... but not through Science and Maths but rather in English itself. Because once the students have a strong English foundation, they won't have any problems transitioning from Malay terms to English terms for their tertiary education anymore and isn't this the reason why they implemented PPSMI in the first place?
I honestly think that PPSMI is a good idea for the education system but I however do not agree with the implementation of the program. An idea like this which involves the future of Malaysia's generation should not be something that you decide overnight then launched a day after (this is just a metaphor of course). All I'm saying is, a program like this must have a proper planning before it is implemented and it has to have steps.
In my opinion, the main step is to tackle the core of the program itself which in this case... the teachers. The teachers' English level should be perfected first before they are even allowed to teach their subjects in English and this to me is not something you can achieve in a split second. If the teachers are taking courses and being taught to improve their English level while supposedly teaching to "improve" others... how can the main goal ever be achieved. If the foundation is not strong enough then failure is no longer a hypothesis but rather a conclusion.
Seeing how things turn out now... its really sad to see how rapid Malay students are falling behind others in these two core subjects.
Sebab dulu anak Melayu mungkin kurang cemerlang dalam bahasa Inggeris tapi sekurang-kurangnya mereka cemerlang dalam Matematik dan Sains dan ini telah melayakkan mereka untuk ke IPTA atau ke luar negara. Tapi sekarang bukan sahaja anak Melayu gagal dalam peperiksaan bahasa Inggeris tapi juga dalam Matematik dan Sains sedangkan anak bangsa lain sedang berlumba-lumba untuk cemerlang dalam bahasa Melayu. Dan yang rugi akhirnya bangsa kita juga.
That is why I highly agree with T Zam Uzir regarding the matter we must improve the level of English in Malay students first... but not through Science and Maths but rather in English itself. Because once the students have a strong English foundation, they won't have any problems transitioning from Malay terms to English terms for their tertiary education anymore and isn't this the reason why they implemented PPSMI in the first place?

Post #12
Izatt wroteon April 28, 2009 at 5:20am
on my opinion,PPSMI is not a really good way of teaching maths and science, simpy because all children, especially malays, need a very robust and strong basic in maths and science first before those subjects can be taught in english. How could they possibly understand maths and science if they can't even understand english. We aren't talking about elite children, born by highly educated parents, but we are talking about a very large number of chidren born in countryside, parents were fisherman, farmers, they don's speak english. So I think, in primary school, it should be taught in malay first, and then in secondary school and higher institutions, those subjects can be taught in english. I,myself is an example, I was realy poor in english back then in primary school, but I was the top in my school for maths and science because I understand those subjects since they were delivered in malay. Later on, as I grow up, my english got better and I have no difficulty in comprehending maths and science which were taught in english in higher institution.

Post #13
Mohammad wroteon April 28, 2009 at 7:50am
Salam,aku dulu dr sekolah rendah smpai menengah sekolah kt sekolah harian jer..Pendedahan tentang English kt sekolah mmg kurang,tp sebab berkat ayah mak aku usahakan belikan buku,tgk tv dlm English,Alhamdulillah,aku punye English improve..Lg 1,aku inisiatif sendiri,cr bahan bacaan kat library sekolah n library daerah buku Englsh,dan aku beli paper pun English.Alhamdulillah,kt A Levels and Matrix UIA dulu,ok jer aku cope dgn bahasa kt text books.IELTS aku dpt band 8 out of 9...Hendak seribu daya,x hendak seribu dalih.Mak ayah kalau faham erti kepentingan ilmu,mereka akan buat untuk anak2..
Adik aku,x tuition bahasa Inggeris pun,tp dia tgk tv,baca buku Englsih,Alhamdulillah,dia top 10 kt sekolah dia yg majoriti non Muslim(Kadazan,Cina,India) dan science dan math dia 90 and above.Lg satu,Bahasa Melayu dia pun grade A,bukan nk berlagak,tp sekadar contoh.kalau ada yg boleh cope,xde alasan org lain xleh nk cope dgn perubahan yg bagus ni..
Alasan Melayu x terdedah to English is LAME...TV 2,free jer TV tu,slalu ada program bahasa Inggeris..Kenapa Cina dan India bagus dalam English dan dalam masa yg sama juga bagus berbahasa ibunda mereka (Cantonese,Hokkien,Tamil,H indu)??Kenapa Melayu x boleh??Sampai bila kita nk kuasai 1 bahasa saja??Sbb knape??Kita leka tgk sinetron Indonesia,dengar lagu Indonesia,baca buku Sin Chan,Doraemon,DragonBall.. Itu yang jadi bahan bacaan sampingan kita,bukan majalah Discovery,Readers Digest,dan Nat Geo...Even paper Star tu,x sampai 2 ringgit jer,lg tebal dr BH,tp kita nk selesa,xnk blaja,jadilah begini...Library kt sekolah2,ada jer buku english,terutama Penguin Productions,bagus2 cerita dia,n ikut level,dr Beginner sampai la Expert,tp kita x terpk pun nk gunakan facilities yg free tu,(kalau byr yuran library pun,x sampai RM20 setahun)..
Aku dh 4 tahun study kt Jakarta ni,ramai student dia n lecturer even,bengkang bengkok nk communicate dlm English,tersipu2 dgn kitorg student Malaysia ni..Dorg teragak2 nk further studies kt luar negara sbb English hancus,apa lg dlm science n maths,mmg agak out..(bukan kutuk,tp kebenaran)..Jadi sampai bila kita nk dimanjakan dgn bahasa sendiri??Subsidi,biasiswa, semua dah ditawarkan untuk Melayu yg cemerlang,kenapa nk ubah benda ni,yg kita boleh adjust dgn kesedaran dan inisiatif sendiri ramai yg xnk..Yg timbul akhirnye,politics dan kepentingan pihak2 tertentu,mengatakan Melayu sudah x jd tuan lagi,padahal org2 yg sama ingin menawarkan tempat2 UiTM utk non bumiputera..
So,di hujung jalan,apa yg baik itu,sokonglah,walaupun berbeza fahaman,kerana ini untuk memajukan rakyat,bukan untuk menyusahkan..
MOD,kalau aku ada mention benda2 yg agak sensitif atau terkasar bahasa,pls edit or delete..TQ
Adik aku,x tuition bahasa Inggeris pun,tp dia tgk tv,baca buku Englsih,Alhamdulillah,dia top 10 kt sekolah dia yg majoriti non Muslim(Kadazan,Cina,India)
Alasan Melayu x terdedah to English is LAME...TV 2,free jer TV tu,slalu ada program bahasa Inggeris..Kenapa Cina dan India bagus dalam English dan dalam masa yg sama juga bagus berbahasa ibunda mereka (Cantonese,Hokkien,Tamil,H
Aku dh 4 tahun study kt Jakarta ni,ramai student dia n lecturer even,bengkang bengkok nk communicate dlm English,tersipu2 dgn kitorg student Malaysia ni..Dorg teragak2 nk further studies kt luar negara sbb English hancus,apa lg dlm science n maths,mmg agak out..(bukan kutuk,tp kebenaran)..Jadi sampai bila kita nk dimanjakan dgn bahasa sendiri??Subsidi,biasiswa,
So,di hujung jalan,apa yg baik itu,sokonglah,walaupun berbeza fahaman,kerana ini untuk memajukan rakyat,bukan untuk menyusahkan..
MOD,kalau aku ada mention benda2 yg agak sensitif atau terkasar bahasa,pls edit or delete..TQ

Post #14
Syahril-Ikhwan replied to Bil's poston April 28, 2009 at 9:51am
Dear Bil Hanson,
english is english.. science & maths are science maths.. you can improve your english without science & maths and likewise you can improve your science & maths without english..
so to combine these two subjects together you need both the students and the teachers to have a strong grasp in both of the subjects in the first place.. you know what i mean? i'm not trying to be 'kampung' or anything and buat malu to malaysia as you are insinuating.. we can improve our english elsewhere other than while learning math & science.. i mean it's not like we use scientific terms when we communicate in everyday life right?
so my main point without being too boring is (i guess i'll say it in malay as part of showing support against PPSMI) kalau tak faham bahasa inggeris tak kira lah si pelajar atau si cikgu, 1000 tahun pun ilmu tak sampai ke si murid (al-maklum masih budak lagi).. sepatutnya sebelum nak laksanakan PPSMI nih kene kukuhkan dulu penggunaan bahasa inggeris RAKYAT MALAYSIA..
english is english.. science & maths are science maths.. you can improve your english without science & maths and likewise you can improve your science & maths without english..
so to combine these two subjects together you need both the students and the teachers to have a strong grasp in both of the subjects in the first place.. you know what i mean? i'm not trying to be 'kampung' or anything and buat malu to malaysia as you are insinuating.. we can improve our english elsewhere other than while learning math & science.. i mean it's not like we use scientific terms when we communicate in everyday life right?
so my main point without being too boring is (i guess i'll say it in malay as part of showing support against PPSMI) kalau tak faham bahasa inggeris tak kira lah si pelajar atau si cikgu, 1000 tahun pun ilmu tak sampai ke si murid (al-maklum masih budak lagi).. sepatutnya sebelum nak laksanakan PPSMI nih kene kukuhkan dulu penggunaan bahasa inggeris RAKYAT MALAYSIA..
Post deleted on April 28, 2009 at 10:15am

Post #16
Bil wroteon April 28, 2009 at 10:26am
Dear Syahril-Ikhwan Helmi,
bodoh gila la klau 1000 tahun belajar/mengajar english pon still tak pandai2... penggunaan english takkan/sgt2 la jarang dikukuhkan oleh rakyat sendiri tanpa dorongan/paksaan dari kerajaan. So therefore our gov have to make a drastic move to enforce the citizen to use english by learning in english.
As told by mohammad firdaus, there are many sources of english media in the country such as a free english tv program in tv2, english newspapers and such.. Why didn't they make use of these facilities to improve their english by themselves before the gov even had idea about PPSMI? now, bila dah ada PPSMI baru terhegeh2 nak blaja english and merungut takde pendedahan english. alasan! gedik!
nah, ambik korang smua! blajar dlm english skrang, nak tanak, mesti nak! Start now, from whatever english level you are.
dont be coward malaysians! we can do this together and still be Malaysians and MELAYU yang cakap bahasa melayu tapi belajar English. boleh boleh...
bodoh gila la klau 1000 tahun belajar/mengajar english pon still tak pandai2... penggunaan english takkan/sgt2 la jarang dikukuhkan oleh rakyat sendiri tanpa dorongan/paksaan dari kerajaan. So therefore our gov have to make a drastic move to enforce the citizen to use english by learning in english.
As told by mohammad firdaus, there are many sources of english media in the country such as a free english tv program in tv2, english newspapers and such.. Why didn't they make use of these facilities to improve their english by themselves before the gov even had idea about PPSMI? now, bila dah ada PPSMI baru terhegeh2 nak blaja english and merungut takde pendedahan english. alasan! gedik!
nah, ambik korang smua! blajar dlm english skrang, nak tanak, mesti nak! Start now, from whatever english level you are.
dont be coward malaysians! we can do this together and still be Malaysians and MELAYU yang cakap bahasa melayu tapi belajar English. boleh boleh...

Post #17
Syahril-Ikhwan wroteon April 28, 2009 at 11:26am
Lol.. I may have exagarated a bit but my point stands.. Not everyone is as lucky as you are.. Those folks in the rurals and in the jungles of borneo.. Some of of them don't even have TV's or even basic stuff like running tap water and electricity..
Then again, even in 'bandar', when I got back home, and my little brother asked me what the heck is bigger than/smaller than/later than and I ask him 'cikgu kat sekolah tak ajar ke?' and he answered that he doesn't understand what the teacher said.. so I spent like 5-10 minutes teaching him, even using props lol.. and he understood finally.. and I wondered what's wrong with the teacher..
It's bullcrap that these young students are stuck at understanding english words rather than doing divisions and multiplications.. so now it's the young students who are taking a longer time translating rather than the university students..
By the way the level of english tought in our schools is very remedial.. Even taking TOEFL didn't prepared me for the level of english i'm learning in writing and communications class here.. yes it is up to the individual to improve his or her english but not everyone is as exposed or in a position to practice english where most of the people are speaking their own dialects.. so it needs a big hand to change this norm aka government efforts..
I'm not trying to play the devil's advocate here.. i'm just being real..
Then again, even in 'bandar', when I got back home, and my little brother asked me what the heck is bigger than/smaller than/later than and I ask him 'cikgu kat sekolah tak ajar ke?' and he answered that he doesn't understand what the teacher said.. so I spent like 5-10 minutes teaching him, even using props lol.. and he understood finally.. and I wondered what's wrong with the teacher..
It's bullcrap that these young students are stuck at understanding english words rather than doing divisions and multiplications.. so now it's the young students who are taking a longer time translating rather than the university students..
By the way the level of english tought in our schools is very remedial.. Even taking TOEFL didn't prepared me for the level of english i'm learning in writing and communications class here.. yes it is up to the individual to improve his or her english but not everyone is as exposed or in a position to practice english where most of the people are speaking their own dialects.. so it needs a big hand to change this norm aka government efforts..
I'm not trying to play the devil's advocate here.. i'm just being real..

Post #18
Amir wroteon April 28, 2009 at 7:02pm
Salam to everyone,
i'm all for PPSMI but i just disagree with the implementation. I believe that we should be knowledgable in both languages without precedence.
Firstly for us to study everything in Bahasa Malaysia, would require us to translate all or most existing text and this will include borrowing words from different languages into BM. While it may not be too difficult for less technical fields, it is hilarious to find out that "ralat" simply means "error" in English. This effort would require a huge amount of time, money and manpower that could be well spent on other more urgent matters not to mention the small population that would benefit from the translation compared to the population of the world. However i still do believe that we should try translate these texts into BM but it has to be alongside with the growth and usage of English. It is without a doubt far more difficult to go through a transition process of relating the knowledge learnt in BM to English right after high school rather than while learning.
My problem with the implementation is that some teachers who cannot converse well in English, unlike most of the participants of this thread, are trying to teach purely in English. It is like having the blind leading the blind. Let them teach in BM (with a preference for English) while using English terms and definitions. The issue mainly is not the medium but more of the technical terms and definitions.
Personally, i had a great teacher in high school that even without PPSMI still thought us the definitions both in English and BM. Even my chemistry and physics teachers did the same. This leads to a better understanding of the concepts and the subject as a whole. Later, this would have saved me a lot of grief of trying to relate the terms between the two languages.
An example is when a friend asked me the difference between "specificity and sensitivity" of a diagnostic test. While to those who have a good grasp of English would already know the difference, those who don't will not only benefit from learning the terms but also what the words mean in general.
My opinion is that there is without a doubt no problem teaching primary school syllabus in BM. As the topics covered are very general and interlingual translation can be done through any general BM-English-BM dictionary. Alas, the same can't be said about secondary school, where we are introduced to a deeper understanding of the subjects. I wouldn't want to have learnt mathematics using the word "anu" and chemistry using " penurunan" (and i hope nobody ever has to but to know those terms in BM is still crucial).
With all that being said, i do agree that the quality of English being taught at schools are, to put it in a nice way, shitty. Do not misunderstand me, there are good teachers out there and i had a few but the syllabus isn't even interesting. Guess what? Give children an education comic in English and they will learn faster than Proton can come up with new models.
I pray for the best of our beloved nation.
i'm all for PPSMI but i just disagree with the implementation. I believe that we should be knowledgable in both languages without precedence.
Firstly for us to study everything in Bahasa Malaysia, would require us to translate all or most existing text and this will include borrowing words from different languages into BM. While it may not be too difficult for less technical fields, it is hilarious to find out that "ralat" simply means "error" in English. This effort would require a huge amount of time, money and manpower that could be well spent on other more urgent matters not to mention the small population that would benefit from the translation compared to the population of the world. However i still do believe that we should try translate these texts into BM but it has to be alongside with the growth and usage of English. It is without a doubt far more difficult to go through a transition process of relating the knowledge learnt in BM to English right after high school rather than while learning.
My problem with the implementation is that some teachers who cannot converse well in English, unlike most of the participants of this thread, are trying to teach purely in English. It is like having the blind leading the blind. Let them teach in BM (with a preference for English) while using English terms and definitions. The issue mainly is not the medium but more of the technical terms and definitions.
Personally, i had a great teacher in high school that even without PPSMI still thought us the definitions both in English and BM. Even my chemistry and physics teachers did the same. This leads to a better understanding of the concepts and the subject as a whole. Later, this would have saved me a lot of grief of trying to relate the terms between the two languages.
An example is when a friend asked me the difference between "specificity and sensitivity" of a diagnostic test. While to those who have a good grasp of English would already know the difference, those who don't will not only benefit from learning the terms but also what the words mean in general.
My opinion is that there is without a doubt no problem teaching primary school syllabus in BM. As the topics covered are very general and interlingual translation can be done through any general BM-English-BM dictionary. Alas, the same can't be said about secondary school, where we are introduced to a deeper understanding of the subjects. I wouldn't want to have learnt mathematics using the word "anu" and chemistry using " penurunan" (and i hope nobody ever has to but to know those terms in BM is still crucial).
With all that being said, i do agree that the quality of English being taught at schools are, to put it in a nice way, shitty. Do not misunderstand me, there are good teachers out there and i had a few but the syllabus isn't even interesting. Guess what? Give children an education comic in English and they will learn faster than Proton can come up with new models.
I pray for the best of our beloved nation.

Post #19
Amir wroteon April 28, 2009 at 7:05pm
***Correction
Give children an EDUCATIONAL comic in English
My apologies
Give children an EDUCATIONAL comic in English
My apologies

Post #20
Kamal wroteon April 28, 2009 at 9:33pm
to everyone,
based on my reading on your comments, i would conclude that your grammar is much more better than your tatabahasa.
pening nak tafsir ayat di atas?
let me keep it short and simple. we are debating about the implementation of english in math and science. the weaknesses of teachers facing while teaching these subjects in english.
to government,
it is not about the language issue. it is about the implementation issue. if you want to teach these subjects in urdu, japanese, or hebrew, or whatever language in the world, by all means, u can. but what if the person who is going to teach the subject does not have the confident to teach it, and the students are not motivated by this person to encourge them to learn and master this language?
bak kata malique too phat dalam lagunya,
"komplikasi dalam komunikasi jadi konfrontasi"
masih pening untuk mentafsir frasa diatas? huhu...
kalau kita yang berbahasa melayu pun tidak pernah ambil berat akan tatabahasa bahasa melayu itu sendiri, dan merasa segan dan tersipu-sipu untuk menulis dalam bahasa melayu dengan tertib dan lengkap dengan tatabahasanya, apa tah lagi mahu menguasai bahasa asing?
aku cuma seorang perantau, singgah di negara asing, untuk mentelaah sebanyak mungkin ilmu. kalau balik malaysia, masih lagi lepak di kedai mamak.
hairan, mana perginya kedai melayu yang menyajikan masakan melayu?
based on my reading on your comments, i would conclude that your grammar is much more better than your tatabahasa.
pening nak tafsir ayat di atas?
let me keep it short and simple. we are debating about the implementation of english in math and science. the weaknesses of teachers facing while teaching these subjects in english.
to government,
it is not about the language issue. it is about the implementation issue. if you want to teach these subjects in urdu, japanese, or hebrew, or whatever language in the world, by all means, u can. but what if the person who is going to teach the subject does not have the confident to teach it, and the students are not motivated by this person to encourge them to learn and master this language?
bak kata malique too phat dalam lagunya,
"komplikasi dalam komunikasi jadi konfrontasi"
masih pening untuk mentafsir frasa diatas? huhu...
kalau kita yang berbahasa melayu pun tidak pernah ambil berat akan tatabahasa bahasa melayu itu sendiri, dan merasa segan dan tersipu-sipu untuk menulis dalam bahasa melayu dengan tertib dan lengkap dengan tatabahasanya, apa tah lagi mahu menguasai bahasa asing?
aku cuma seorang perantau, singgah di negara asing, untuk mentelaah sebanyak mungkin ilmu. kalau balik malaysia, masih lagi lepak di kedai mamak.
hairan, mana perginya kedai melayu yang menyajikan masakan melayu?

Post #21
Hafeez wroteon April 29, 2009 at 2:17pm
Reply to Mr Kamal Hadi..
It might be hard to learn a new language at a young age..but don't you think it's better for them to start learning english as early as possible?
i have nothing against Bahasa Malaysia..but its better we have mistakes in our tatabahasa then not knowing english at all.
It might be hard to learn a new language at a young age..but don't you think it's better for them to start learning english as early as possible?
i have nothing against Bahasa Malaysia..but its better we have mistakes in our tatabahasa then not knowing english at all.

Post #22
Iqbal wroteon April 29, 2009 at 11:54pm
Assalamu'alai kum wbr...
PPSMI,topik yang bagus dan hangat diperkatakan oleh orang yg memperjuangkan bahasa melayu ataupun yg nak menaikkan diri sendiri...
kalau nak tahu ttg sama ada berjaya ataupun tidak PPSMI ni,tanyalah cikgu2 yg ada kat MALAYsia...ada 3 perkara yg akan terjadi
i. cikgu ajar,murid pening
ii. murid guna english,cikgu pening
iii. cikgu tak reti nak ajar, murid tambah bodoh..
bahasa itu melambangkan bangsa dan bangsa itu cacat tanpa bahasa..
di mana tanahku pijak,di situ langit ku junjung...
melayu mempunyai 4 menda yg harus diperjuangkan:
1. Agama Islam
hmm..tau2 je lah camne keadaan islam kat msia..org luar ckp msia ni negara islam maju n contoh..itu dari segi pembangunan..dari segi kefahaman pun ok gak laa...tapi dari segi pengabdian kpd agama???mungkin ada yg ok tapi yg sedihnya ada jugak org MELAYU yg tanpa segan silu ber'maksiat' di khalayak ramai..apetah lagi dlm dunia tanpa sempadan ni,macam dah takde Tuhan nak jaga kita...ok,tak perlu pjg lebar utk ni...
2. Politik
sebab itulah adanya UMNO & PAS pada asalnya...utk jaga agama,bangsa dan negara MELAYU...tapi kita pun bergaduh sendiri2 tanpa memikirkan akibat yg akan terjadi...utk kekuasaan,semua jadi lupa dan alpa t'hadap peranan masing2..melayu tak bersatu sekarang...terpecah pada 3 kelompok besar...dlm setiap kelompok besar ada kelompok2 kecil yg saling bertelagah..bayangkan je laa..bila politik melayu nk jatuh dek perbuatan kita sendiri...org bangsa asing skrg tunggu peluang je..bukan mereka lemah tapi kita yg berderai...
3. Sultan/Raja
Sultan2 kita sekarang dah dengan secara terang2an diserang oleh org MALAYsia..hehe,kelako jadinya...takdenya Tanah Melayu tanpa mereka2 ni...org pertikaikan fungsi mereka2 ini di dlm perlembagaan kita,mana melayu pergi?ada yg sama2 dok hentam sultan2 kita..dah takde rasa hormat langsung, dibuatnya sultan tidak berdaulat...bangsa asing sibuk nak hak sama rata,balik2 nanti tengok laa sapa yg back-up melayu kalo tak Sultan/Raja yg ada...tapi mmg laa tak semua yg bagus,ada je yg tunggu duit masuk je tapi masih ada Sultan/Raja yg turun padang dalam hal2 sensitif.kenapa?kerana mereka juga org MELAYU gak..sama cam kita...tapi kalau kita tak back-up raja kita,sape lagi??
4. Bahasa/adat
semua negara pasti ada bahasa negeri sendiri...tak terlepas dengan MALAYsia,kita ada bhs melayu..tak salah nak belajar term dlm bhs asing,tapi bukan sampai nak mendewakan bhs asing...tu dah macam tukar bangsa gak laa tu...cume muka je ada muka jawa laa,muka bugis laa..muka banjar laa..
macam kt tpt aku belajar skrg,Indonesia..org asing sibuk belajar bhs lokal,kalo tak nanti abis laa susah nak hidup..dulu masa aku kat ukraine,mereka lagi mengenali indonesia dan singapore dari MALAYsia...padahal org indonesia tak semua fasih dan boleh bertutur dalam BI..budak2 sekolah sini,selalu je menang kuiz sains dan matematik peringkat dunia...malu lak aku kalau kwn2 lokal aku tanya Msia pernah menang tak...dorang ckp kita kan pandai english..tak silap aku,bkan sini je..dulu aku gi ukraine pun sama gak,tak boleh hidup dgn BI w/pun BI gempak mendewa skalipun...nak tak nak,kena gak aku cakap dalam bhs rusia dan Alhamdulillah aku dapat kuasai.....tapi takpe la,ada org kata kalau tak boleh cakap BI nanti susah nak keluar negara..tapi realitinya,nak hidup kat MALAYsia pun susah kalau ala kadar je BI..yg pandai BI ni sudah pasti bangsa asing,org MELAYU susah sikit kerana kita ada bahasa kita dan kita berada di tanah kita..bangsa asing bukan tak belajar bhs melayu tapi malas nak pakai kerana nanti takut kita ingat lak yg kita ni orang melayu.. :) org melayu skrg nak jadi mat salleh tapi kulit sawo matang..
PPSMI ni harus dipertimbangkan sebijak2 mungkin utk kemajuan bangsa kita sendiri dan bukan semata2 utk mendapat populariti masing2 atau keuntungan peribadi..banyak lagi point2 yg perlu diperhatikan utk PPSMI ni utk bangsa melayu...pikirkanlah hala tuju bangsa melayu kita ni...semua akan dipersoalkan di akhirat kelak...jgn dunia dapat,akhirat nanti dok setempat dgn mat salleh!kepada yg terasa,maaf sedalam2 nya cuma ingin menyampaikan suara hati bangsa yg makin tersepit dek arus globalisasi dan kemodenan...
melayu akan hilang tanpa agama,bahasa dan tanah air...
Wallahua'lam...
wassalamu'alaikum....
PPSMI,topik yang bagus dan hangat diperkatakan oleh orang yg memperjuangkan bahasa melayu ataupun yg nak menaikkan diri sendiri...
kalau nak tahu ttg sama ada berjaya ataupun tidak PPSMI ni,tanyalah cikgu2 yg ada kat MALAYsia...ada 3 perkara yg akan terjadi
i. cikgu ajar,murid pening
ii. murid guna english,cikgu pening
iii. cikgu tak reti nak ajar, murid tambah bodoh..
bahasa itu melambangkan bangsa dan bangsa itu cacat tanpa bahasa..
di mana tanahku pijak,di situ langit ku junjung...
melayu mempunyai 4 menda yg harus diperjuangkan:
1. Agama Islam
hmm..tau2 je lah camne keadaan islam kat msia..org luar ckp msia ni negara islam maju n contoh..itu dari segi pembangunan..dari segi kefahaman pun ok gak laa...tapi dari segi pengabdian kpd agama???mungkin ada yg ok tapi yg sedihnya ada jugak org MELAYU yg tanpa segan silu ber'maksiat' di khalayak ramai..apetah lagi dlm dunia tanpa sempadan ni,macam dah takde Tuhan nak jaga kita...ok,tak perlu pjg lebar utk ni...
2. Politik
sebab itulah adanya UMNO & PAS pada asalnya...utk jaga agama,bangsa dan negara MELAYU...tapi kita pun bergaduh sendiri2 tanpa memikirkan akibat yg akan terjadi...utk kekuasaan,semua jadi lupa dan alpa t'hadap peranan masing2..melayu tak bersatu sekarang...terpecah pada 3 kelompok besar...dlm setiap kelompok besar ada kelompok2 kecil yg saling bertelagah..bayangkan je laa..bila politik melayu nk jatuh dek perbuatan kita sendiri...org bangsa asing skrg tunggu peluang je..bukan mereka lemah tapi kita yg berderai...
3. Sultan/Raja
Sultan2 kita sekarang dah dengan secara terang2an diserang oleh org MALAYsia..hehe,kelako jadinya...takdenya Tanah Melayu tanpa mereka2 ni...org pertikaikan fungsi mereka2 ini di dlm perlembagaan kita,mana melayu pergi?ada yg sama2 dok hentam sultan2 kita..dah takde rasa hormat langsung, dibuatnya sultan tidak berdaulat...bangsa asing sibuk nak hak sama rata,balik2 nanti tengok laa sapa yg back-up melayu kalo tak Sultan/Raja yg ada...tapi mmg laa tak semua yg bagus,ada je yg tunggu duit masuk je tapi masih ada Sultan/Raja yg turun padang dalam hal2 sensitif.kenapa?kerana mereka juga org MELAYU gak..sama cam kita...tapi kalau kita tak back-up raja kita,sape lagi??
4. Bahasa/adat
semua negara pasti ada bahasa negeri sendiri...tak terlepas dengan MALAYsia,kita ada bhs melayu..tak salah nak belajar term dlm bhs asing,tapi bukan sampai nak mendewakan bhs asing...tu dah macam tukar bangsa gak laa tu...cume muka je ada muka jawa laa,muka bugis laa..muka banjar laa..
macam kt tpt aku belajar skrg,Indonesia..org asing sibuk belajar bhs lokal,kalo tak nanti abis laa susah nak hidup..dulu masa aku kat ukraine,mereka lagi mengenali indonesia dan singapore dari MALAYsia...padahal org indonesia tak semua fasih dan boleh bertutur dalam BI..budak2 sekolah sini,selalu je menang kuiz sains dan matematik peringkat dunia...malu lak aku kalau kwn2 lokal aku tanya Msia pernah menang tak...dorang ckp kita kan pandai english..tak silap aku,bkan sini je..dulu aku gi ukraine pun sama gak,tak boleh hidup dgn BI w/pun BI gempak mendewa skalipun...nak tak nak,kena gak aku cakap dalam bhs rusia dan Alhamdulillah aku dapat kuasai.....tapi takpe la,ada org kata kalau tak boleh cakap BI nanti susah nak keluar negara..tapi realitinya,nak hidup kat MALAYsia pun susah kalau ala kadar je BI..yg pandai BI ni sudah pasti bangsa asing,org MELAYU susah sikit kerana kita ada bahasa kita dan kita berada di tanah kita..bangsa asing bukan tak belajar bhs melayu tapi malas nak pakai kerana nanti takut kita ingat lak yg kita ni orang melayu.. :) org melayu skrg nak jadi mat salleh tapi kulit sawo matang..
PPSMI ni harus dipertimbangkan sebijak2 mungkin utk kemajuan bangsa kita sendiri dan bukan semata2 utk mendapat populariti masing2 atau keuntungan peribadi..banyak lagi point2 yg perlu diperhatikan utk PPSMI ni utk bangsa melayu...pikirkanlah hala tuju bangsa melayu kita ni...semua akan dipersoalkan di akhirat kelak...jgn dunia dapat,akhirat nanti dok setempat dgn mat salleh!kepada yg terasa,maaf sedalam2 nya cuma ingin menyampaikan suara hati bangsa yg makin tersepit dek arus globalisasi dan kemodenan...
melayu akan hilang tanpa agama,bahasa dan tanah air...
Wallahua'lam...
wassalamu'alaikum....

Post #23
Syahril-Ikhwan wroteon April 30, 2009 at 8:44am
Iqbal Azfar,
Saudara lupa untuk sertakan pendidikan dalam senarai di atas.. Dalam sejarah kehidupan Rasulullah SAW ayat al-Quran yang mula-mula diturunkan Allah SWT kepada Nabi Muhammad SAW melalui perantaraan malaikat Jibrail ialah lima ayat pertama daripada surah Al-‘Alaq. maksudnya:
”Bacalah (wahai Muhammad) dengan nama Tuhan mu yang menciptakan (sekalian makhluk), Ia menciptakan manusia dari sebuku darah beku; Bacalah, dan Tuhan mu Yang Maha Pemurah, -Yang mengajar manusia melalui pena dan tulisan, -Ia mengajarkan manusia apa yang tidak diketahuinya.” (al-‘alaq:1-5)
Betapa pentingnya ilmu itu sampai itu yang pertama sekali Tuhan turunkan kepada Rasulullah SAW..
Disamping kepentingan fardhu 'ain seperti yang saudara nyatakan dalam 'point' saudara kita juga perlu mengambil kira fardhu kifayah yang juga sama pentingnya dengan fardhu 'ain.. fardhu kifayah bukan setakat solat jenazah sahaja tetapi merangkumi perkara lain juga seperti mempelajari ilmu duniawi, amar ma'ruf nahi munkar, jihad ibtida`i, dan lain-lain..
berkenaan politik, sultan dan adat saya tak akan sentuh lagi kerana ilmu saya masih belum mencukupi.. namun saya tergerak untuk menidakkan pandangan saudara bahawa orang melayu yang berbahasa inggeris itu dianggap nak jadi mat salleh.. betul bahasa itu identiti bangsa namun salahkah kalau kita mengamalkan bahasa inggeris untuk membantu kita berkomunikasi dengan lebih efektif dengan dunia luar.. ini tidak bermakna kita perlu membelakangkan bahasa kita.. Ziad Fazah seorang warganegara Lebanon kelahiran Liberia boleh berbicara dengan 56 bahasa termasuk bahasa melayu.. masa dia belajar bahasa yang ke 56 itu dia masih fasih bahasa yang pertama.. bahasa tu kalau dah dapat insyaAllah lekat..
berkenaan pertandingan antarabangsa pelajar tempatan uitm pun ada menang macam2 antaranya:
1) UiTM BAGS 9 MEDALS IN 35TH INTERNATIONAL EXHIBITION OF INVENTIONS, NEW TECHNIQUES AND PRODUCTS, GENEVA, SWITZERLAND
2) UiTM WON 6 MEDALS IN INVENTION & NEW PRODUCTS EXPOSITION (INPEX 2007) EXHIBITION, PITTSBURGH, USA
so jangan pandang rendah anak bangsa sendiri..
ironi nya mentaliti bahawa melayu yang guna bahasa inggeris itu dikira mat salleh celup itulah yang menyukarkan PPSMI itu sendiri sekaligus mengukuhkan pendirian saya sebelum ini.. namun kalau masih ingin diteruskan juga PPSMI saya setuju dengan pendapat bahawa elok diimplimentasikan pada peringkat sekolah menengah di mana istilah-istilah sains dan matematik yang lebih mendalam digunakan.. di samping itu pelajar juga sudah mempunyai asas dalam bahasa inggeris, sains dan matematik sekaligus memudahkan proses pengajaran dan pembelajaran itu sendiri.. sekian, terima kasih..
Saudara lupa untuk sertakan pendidikan dalam senarai di atas.. Dalam sejarah kehidupan Rasulullah SAW ayat al-Quran yang mula-mula diturunkan Allah SWT kepada Nabi Muhammad SAW melalui perantaraan malaikat Jibrail ialah lima ayat pertama daripada surah Al-‘Alaq. maksudnya:
”Bacalah (wahai Muhammad) dengan nama Tuhan mu yang menciptakan (sekalian makhluk), Ia menciptakan manusia dari sebuku darah beku; Bacalah, dan Tuhan mu Yang Maha Pemurah, -Yang mengajar manusia melalui pena dan tulisan, -Ia mengajarkan manusia apa yang tidak diketahuinya.” (al-‘alaq:1-5)
Betapa pentingnya ilmu itu sampai itu yang pertama sekali Tuhan turunkan kepada Rasulullah SAW..
Disamping kepentingan fardhu 'ain seperti yang saudara nyatakan dalam 'point' saudara kita juga perlu mengambil kira fardhu kifayah yang juga sama pentingnya dengan fardhu 'ain.. fardhu kifayah bukan setakat solat jenazah sahaja tetapi merangkumi perkara lain juga seperti mempelajari ilmu duniawi, amar ma'ruf nahi munkar, jihad ibtida`i, dan lain-lain..
berkenaan politik, sultan dan adat saya tak akan sentuh lagi kerana ilmu saya masih belum mencukupi.. namun saya tergerak untuk menidakkan pandangan saudara bahawa orang melayu yang berbahasa inggeris itu dianggap nak jadi mat salleh.. betul bahasa itu identiti bangsa namun salahkah kalau kita mengamalkan bahasa inggeris untuk membantu kita berkomunikasi dengan lebih efektif dengan dunia luar.. ini tidak bermakna kita perlu membelakangkan bahasa kita.. Ziad Fazah seorang warganegara Lebanon kelahiran Liberia boleh berbicara dengan 56 bahasa termasuk bahasa melayu.. masa dia belajar bahasa yang ke 56 itu dia masih fasih bahasa yang pertama.. bahasa tu kalau dah dapat insyaAllah lekat..
berkenaan pertandingan antarabangsa pelajar tempatan uitm pun ada menang macam2 antaranya:
1) UiTM BAGS 9 MEDALS IN 35TH INTERNATIONAL EXHIBITION OF INVENTIONS, NEW TECHNIQUES AND PRODUCTS, GENEVA, SWITZERLAND
2) UiTM WON 6 MEDALS IN INVENTION & NEW PRODUCTS EXPOSITION (INPEX 2007) EXHIBITION, PITTSBURGH, USA
so jangan pandang rendah anak bangsa sendiri..
ironi nya mentaliti bahawa melayu yang guna bahasa inggeris itu dikira mat salleh celup itulah yang menyukarkan PPSMI itu sendiri sekaligus mengukuhkan pendirian saya sebelum ini.. namun kalau masih ingin diteruskan juga PPSMI saya setuju dengan pendapat bahawa elok diimplimentasikan pada peringkat sekolah menengah di mana istilah-istilah sains dan matematik yang lebih mendalam digunakan.. di samping itu pelajar juga sudah mempunyai asas dalam bahasa inggeris, sains dan matematik sekaligus memudahkan proses pengajaran dan pembelajaran itu sendiri.. sekian, terima kasih..

Post #24
Amir wroteon April 30, 2009 at 10:45am
Salam semua,
Saya kadang kadang haru biru memikirkan bagaimana belajar Bahasa Inggeris atau belajar dalam Bahasa Inggeris boleh hilang Bahasa Malaysia... I do not understand through what deductions does learning in English akan lupanya kita kepada Bahasa Malaysia yang akan mengakibatkan hilanglah Bangsa Melayu...
In New Zealand, the Maoris speak and learn in English and yet they have not lost their cultures and traditions not even their language... In extremities, for Mexico, the national language is Spanish tapi tak dianggap Spanish atau less of a Mexican...
Jadi hairan kenapa hanya sebab belajar dalam Bahasa Inggeris boleh luput Bahasa Malaysia... Kalau diikutkan Sastera Bahasa Malaysia lebih indah dari English literature... bahasa kita lebih kaya dengan adat istiadat yang sopan santun... jadi tiada risau hilang Bahasa Malaysia... Bahasa Malaysia masih bahasa rasmi, masih bahasa perantaraan digunakan oleh pihak kerajaan...
memanglah ramai mat salleh celup kat negara ini... tapi kita tak boleh overgeneralize... mat salleh celup tu kadang kadang bila balik kampung makan jugak budu, belacan dan tempoyak... cari juga kicap kipas udang... yang penting budaya dipupuk disemai dari kecil, pasti bahasa turut...
Saya kadang kadang haru biru memikirkan bagaimana belajar Bahasa Inggeris atau belajar dalam Bahasa Inggeris boleh hilang Bahasa Malaysia... I do not understand through what deductions does learning in English akan lupanya kita kepada Bahasa Malaysia yang akan mengakibatkan hilanglah Bangsa Melayu...
In New Zealand, the Maoris speak and learn in English and yet they have not lost their cultures and traditions not even their language... In extremities, for Mexico, the national language is Spanish tapi tak dianggap Spanish atau less of a Mexican...
Jadi hairan kenapa hanya sebab belajar dalam Bahasa Inggeris boleh luput Bahasa Malaysia... Kalau diikutkan Sastera Bahasa Malaysia lebih indah dari English literature... bahasa kita lebih kaya dengan adat istiadat yang sopan santun... jadi tiada risau hilang Bahasa Malaysia... Bahasa Malaysia masih bahasa rasmi, masih bahasa perantaraan digunakan oleh pihak kerajaan...
memanglah ramai mat salleh celup kat negara ini... tapi kita tak boleh overgeneralize... mat salleh celup tu kadang kadang bila balik kampung makan jugak budu, belacan dan tempoyak... cari juga kicap kipas udang... yang penting budaya dipupuk disemai dari kecil, pasti bahasa turut...

Post #25
Mohd wroteon April 30, 2009 at 1:42pm
Salam,
My Answer: Yes to PPSMI.
Reasons:
1) Removed the barrier in getting better resources available in the market. Usually the resources eg.(book, internet links, etc) were written and explained in English.
2) After gaining a good knowledge and better view, Malaysian can start developing new ideas in Maths & Physics that can be used worldwide.
3) Investment has been made and it will be a waste if we stop it at this point.
4) Improved our communication skills in dealing with foreign people.
Nevertheless,
The implementation of PPSMI must be reorganized and restructured. As I heard and read, the problem occurs when this program been implemented in a rush.
Teachers that will teach Math and Physic in English must be trained and available in schools before we switch to this system so that the main objective achieved.
The target group also must be taken from the early level such as Standard 1 Primary School or Form 1 students. This will make it easier for the student to absorb the learning in English.
Thank you.
Wassalam
My Answer: Yes to PPSMI.
Reasons:
1) Removed the barrier in getting better resources available in the market. Usually the resources eg.(book, internet links, etc) were written and explained in English.
2) After gaining a good knowledge and better view, Malaysian can start developing new ideas in Maths & Physics that can be used worldwide.
3) Investment has been made and it will be a waste if we stop it at this point.
4) Improved our communication skills in dealing with foreign people.
Nevertheless,
The implementation of PPSMI must be reorganized and restructured. As I heard and read, the problem occurs when this program been implemented in a rush.
Teachers that will teach Math and Physic in English must be trained and available in schools before we switch to this system so that the main objective achieved.
The target group also must be taken from the early level such as Standard 1 Primary School or Form 1 students. This will make it easier for the student to absorb the learning in English.
Thank you.
Wassalam

Post #26
Mohd wroteon May 1, 2009 at 6:02am
Assalamulaikum w.bt,
Saudara dan saudari yang dirahmati Allah S.W.T,
Apabila kita merenung sejenak,eloklah kita cuba memahami sejarah kejayaan dan kegagalan di masa yang lalu.Isu PPMSI ini adalah isu yang telah dipolitikkan oleh pihak tertentu untuk kepentingan politik masing-masing.
Pada hemah penulis,di zaman ini,kepentingan untuk mempelajari bahasa Inggeris sangatlah penting.Dunia "technical and scientific " adalah di dalam bahasa Inggeris.
Begitulah hakikatnya walaupun pahit untuk ditelan oleh anak-anak Melayu yang kurang mahir dalam bahasa Inggeris.
Walaubagaimanapun,Bahasa Melayu,Bahasa Bangsa kita.Walau sehebat mana kita,bahasa Melayu adalah bahasa kita.
Penulis mencadangkan agar PPMSI diajar secara 'dwilanguage' di sekolah supaya kanak-kanak itu lebih mudah memahmi pengajian mereka.
Mohd Mukhzani Abdul Manaf AMIMechE UK
Saudara dan saudari yang dirahmati Allah S.W.T,
Apabila kita merenung sejenak,eloklah kita cuba memahami sejarah kejayaan dan kegagalan di masa yang lalu.Isu PPMSI ini adalah isu yang telah dipolitikkan oleh pihak tertentu untuk kepentingan politik masing-masing.
Pada hemah penulis,di zaman ini,kepentingan untuk mempelajari bahasa Inggeris sangatlah penting.Dunia "technical and scientific " adalah di dalam bahasa Inggeris.
Begitulah hakikatnya walaupun pahit untuk ditelan oleh anak-anak Melayu yang kurang mahir dalam bahasa Inggeris.
Walaubagaimanapun,Bahasa Melayu,Bahasa Bangsa kita.Walau sehebat mana kita,bahasa Melayu adalah bahasa kita.
Penulis mencadangkan agar PPMSI diajar secara 'dwilanguage' di sekolah supaya kanak-kanak itu lebih mudah memahmi pengajian mereka.
Mohd Mukhzani Abdul Manaf AMIMechE UK

Post #27
Mohd wroteon May 1, 2009 at 9:34pm
salam
xpayah pilih pn xpe..
gune buku english,
tp then, guru terangkan mana yg susah dlm BM..
so,
student paham science n maths tu,
sambil kembangkan vocab..
sampai bila melayu nk terus manja?
*mat saleh celup*
melayu yg xreti ckp english je tuduh org len cmni~
mana penah nk bg smgt kt org..
kutuk je tau..
-xpayah kot nk tulis penuh2-
-paham jgk kn?-
xpayah pilih pn xpe..
gune buku english,
tp then, guru terangkan mana yg susah dlm BM..
so,
student paham science n maths tu,
sambil kembangkan vocab..
sampai bila melayu nk terus manja?
*mat saleh celup*
melayu yg xreti ckp english je tuduh org len cmni~
mana penah nk bg smgt kt org..
kutuk je tau..
-xpayah kot nk tulis penuh2-
-paham jgk kn?-

Post #28
Iqbal wroteon May 17, 2009 at 10:44pm
Assalamu'alaikum...
sori lama tak bukak ni...
hmm,semua org ada pendirian masing2...
bagus ada bermacam2 latar blkg pemikiran...
tapi melayu harus ada landasan balik...
pemimpin melayu harus duduk bermesyuarah mana yg t'baik utk bangsa kita...
jgn terlepas bangsa,jgn t'gadai bangsa dan terlepas segalanya...maaf jika tersalah kata dan terkasar bahasa...
sori lama tak bukak ni...
hmm,semua org ada pendirian masing2...
bagus ada bermacam2 latar blkg pemikiran...
tapi melayu harus ada landasan balik...
pemimpin melayu harus duduk bermesyuarah mana yg t'baik utk bangsa kita...
jgn terlepas bangsa,jgn t'gadai bangsa dan terlepas segalanya...maaf jika tersalah kata dan terkasar bahasa...

Post #29
فرداوس طاهر wroteon May 26, 2009 at 4:14pm
Assalamualaikum.
setelah dibaca dan ditimbangtarakan segala hujah2 pro dan kontra.
mmg isu ini hangat. namun kita masih bercakap pada level 'saya mahu', 'saya lihat' dan 'saya rasa'. Tidak lupa juga kepada laras bahasa 'saya harap' dan 'kita perlu'.
Sesungguhnya pendirian kita benar terhadap konteks yang kita perjuangkan.
Pernahkah kita sendiri turun padang melihat sendiri keadaan anak bangsa dalam isu ini?
Balik cuti musim panas ini mari pergi sama2 lihat.
Saya harap kita dapat bercakap setelah melihat. Melihat konteks dan juga mungkin penyelidikan2 yang pernah dibuat berkaitan isu ini.
sesiapa ada sumbernya?
Pendidikan diatas politik. Bak kata saudara Iqbal,
benar2 lihat, selidiki dan mesyuaratkan 'jgn terlepas bangsa,jgn t'gadai bangsa dan terlepas segalanya'.
Wallahua'lam.
setelah dibaca dan ditimbangtarakan segala hujah2 pro dan kontra.
mmg isu ini hangat. namun kita masih bercakap pada level 'saya mahu', 'saya lihat' dan 'saya rasa'. Tidak lupa juga kepada laras bahasa 'saya harap' dan 'kita perlu'.
Sesungguhnya pendirian kita benar terhadap konteks yang kita perjuangkan.
Pernahkah kita sendiri turun padang melihat sendiri keadaan anak bangsa dalam isu ini?
Balik cuti musim panas ini mari pergi sama2 lihat.
Saya harap kita dapat bercakap setelah melihat. Melihat konteks dan juga mungkin penyelidikan2 yang pernah dibuat berkaitan isu ini.
sesiapa ada sumbernya?
Pendidikan diatas politik. Bak kata saudara Iqbal,
benar2 lihat, selidiki dan mesyuaratkan 'jgn terlepas bangsa,jgn t'gadai bangsa dan terlepas segalanya'.
Wallahua'lam.

Post #30
Mohd wroteon July 2, 2009 at 9:00pm
Assalamualaikum,Sampuk Sat Then We Need To Find The Solution,aper makna hujah panjang,perlu diambil satu undian untuk mencapai kata sepakat,
Kata org Disitu Ada Kemahuan Disitu Ada jalan fikir fikirkan lah,perbincangan dan hujah mesti ader, sampai bila?.Isu mengenai perkara ini adalah perkembangan dan peredaran zaman.Kita kena akur,Ini kerana ingin menyatukan keseluruhan org asing yang tiba dinegara malaysia ini dapat memahami serta mendalami penyampaian org kita bagaimana kita dapat bersatu dari zaman kemerdekaan dimana semua bangsa dapat memahami budaya masing2.Bangsa kita memang amat ramah serta paling bertolak ansur dalam menjaga keamanan sejagat.Kerosakan budaya akhlak itu terpulang pada individu TEPUK DADA TANYA SELERA.Org melayu ada adat serta bermaruah atas nama ISLAM dimana didalam rukunegara islam adalah tunggak agama utama didalam negeri ini.itu lah yang telah diperjuangkan oleh TUN ABDULLAH HAJI AHMAD BADAWI ketika beliau memegang jawatan sebagai PERDANA MENTERI kita sebelum ini kepada seluruh dunia bagi merealisasikan Islam itu sendiri.Matlamatnya untuk aper? cuba kita fikir,setiap perjuangan dan perbuatan manusia itu semestinya ada perkara yang cuba ingin mereka hajatkan.kesemuanya bagi menunjukkan melayu ini berdemokrasi atas nama Islam yang tidak suka kepada kerosakan.Mengenai permasalahan ini tidak ada salah perubahan itu dibuat cuma kebanyakan dari mereka yang ada sifat ingin belajar atau mendapatkan ilmu akan mencapai kejayaan kelak.Walaupun bahasa ibunda kita dititik beratkan didalam setiap mata pelajaran tetapi setiap pelajar itu harus ada minat yang mendalam itu lah INDIVIDU setiap pelajar.Mungkin pelajaran didalam sekolah tidak peduli,keluar sekolah pergi jamming dengar lagu mat salleh boleh speak engllish caused why?,Caused minat music boleh cakap engglish tapi tak paham aper makna...and laslty they all must need to know the meaning all about that music lyric.Pernah satu ketika di Television iklan New Straits Times seorang gadis mat salleh bertanyakan satu destinasi yang beliau hendak tuju tetapi tiba masa salah seorang pelajar tidak dapat menerangkannya kerana berlainan bahasa.itu lah permasalahan yang dihadapi dan bagaimana ingin menerangkan persoalan Adat,Maruah serta Ahlak yang harus dijaga apabila mereka semua datang kesini? pada masa akan datang.Yang dah tahu berbahasa english pon kadang2 terus jadik Mat salleh jugak tak kisahlah kalau betul kena gayanya ini tidak org tu datang kesini nak cari pintu hidayah tapi tidak last2 org kita ikut jalan sama pening...pening,Nama kalau dah melayu melayu ajer lah,Bahasa tak Jadi Masalah Tetapi Budaya Cara Dan Module Yang Cuba Anda Tunjukkan Kepada Mereka,Cubaan Dan Ujian Tu ader dalam dunia ni jadi fikir2 kan lah,hang nak ajar dia ker dia nak ajar hang?,Hang pi sana tu lain lah tempat dia bro...takleh kata aper...kalau dia mai sini dia kena ikut cara dan budaya sini lar...sini semua ader makcik,pakcik,atuk,nenek,a dik2 so fikirkanlah yang Salah tetap salah,...its up to u all guys iff u need to brings the Muhammad S.A.W message to they all knows what mean of United Malayan Union.Never Ending Story,
*Ambil Perhatian Didalam hujah ini tidak ada mengaitkan sesiapa yang hidup atau yang telah pun meninggal dunia,setiap yang baik itu datangnya dari ALLAH S.W.T yang buruk itu datangnya dari saya sendiri,jika salah silap didalam setiap perkataan yang disampaikan harap diampun dan mohon maaf.
Salamz
Kata org Disitu Ada Kemahuan Disitu Ada jalan fikir fikirkan lah,perbincangan dan hujah mesti ader, sampai bila?.Isu mengenai perkara ini adalah perkembangan dan peredaran zaman.Kita kena akur,Ini kerana ingin menyatukan keseluruhan org asing yang tiba dinegara malaysia ini dapat memahami serta mendalami penyampaian org kita bagaimana kita dapat bersatu dari zaman kemerdekaan dimana semua bangsa dapat memahami budaya masing2.Bangsa kita memang amat ramah serta paling bertolak ansur dalam menjaga keamanan sejagat.Kerosakan budaya akhlak itu terpulang pada individu TEPUK DADA TANYA SELERA.Org melayu ada adat serta bermaruah atas nama ISLAM dimana didalam rukunegara islam adalah tunggak agama utama didalam negeri ini.itu lah yang telah diperjuangkan oleh TUN ABDULLAH HAJI AHMAD BADAWI ketika beliau memegang jawatan sebagai PERDANA MENTERI kita sebelum ini kepada seluruh dunia bagi merealisasikan Islam itu sendiri.Matlamatnya untuk aper? cuba kita fikir,setiap perjuangan dan perbuatan manusia itu semestinya ada perkara yang cuba ingin mereka hajatkan.kesemuanya bagi menunjukkan melayu ini berdemokrasi atas nama Islam yang tidak suka kepada kerosakan.Mengenai permasalahan ini tidak ada salah perubahan itu dibuat cuma kebanyakan dari mereka yang ada sifat ingin belajar atau mendapatkan ilmu akan mencapai kejayaan kelak.Walaupun bahasa ibunda kita dititik beratkan didalam setiap mata pelajaran tetapi setiap pelajar itu harus ada minat yang mendalam itu lah INDIVIDU setiap pelajar.Mungkin pelajaran didalam sekolah tidak peduli,keluar sekolah pergi jamming dengar lagu mat salleh boleh speak engllish caused why?,Caused minat music boleh cakap engglish tapi tak paham aper makna...and laslty they all must need to know the meaning all about that music lyric.Pernah satu ketika di Television iklan New Straits Times seorang gadis mat salleh bertanyakan satu destinasi yang beliau hendak tuju tetapi tiba masa salah seorang pelajar tidak dapat menerangkannya kerana berlainan bahasa.itu lah permasalahan yang dihadapi dan bagaimana ingin menerangkan persoalan Adat,Maruah serta Ahlak yang harus dijaga apabila mereka semua datang kesini? pada masa akan datang.Yang dah tahu berbahasa english pon kadang2 terus jadik Mat salleh jugak tak kisahlah kalau betul kena gayanya ini tidak org tu datang kesini nak cari pintu hidayah tapi tidak last2 org kita ikut jalan sama pening...pening,Nama kalau dah melayu melayu ajer lah,Bahasa tak Jadi Masalah Tetapi Budaya Cara Dan Module Yang Cuba Anda Tunjukkan Kepada Mereka,Cubaan Dan Ujian Tu ader dalam dunia ni jadi fikir2 kan lah,hang nak ajar dia ker dia nak ajar hang?,Hang pi sana tu lain lah tempat dia bro...takleh kata aper...kalau dia mai sini dia kena ikut cara dan budaya sini lar...sini semua ader makcik,pakcik,atuk,nenek,a
*Ambil Perhatian Didalam hujah ini tidak ada mengaitkan sesiapa yang hidup atau yang telah pun meninggal dunia,setiap yang baik itu datangnya dari ALLAH S.W.T yang buruk itu datangnya dari saya sendiri,jika salah silap didalam setiap perkataan yang disampaikan harap diampun dan mohon maaf.
Salamz

