the passengers where not hero's nore deserve be be called heroic, they did nothing but watch tim die. they ran off the bus and left tim to die a horrible death. the passnegers on that but did nothing that was brave, they all corward off and acted like a bunch of babies.

heroism my ass, brave, my ass, stupid and shocked and cowards... yes

in all my respects to tim we love you and cant believe you died of such a horrible tradegy.

this is in my honest opinion some one could have helped but they didnt. that is not no act of braveness nore heroism but cowardly mammals.


RIP

This is a disgusting topic. How dare you blame people when you don't know the entire story or facts. There were women and children on that bus and had it not been for some passengers this man might not have been caught.

This is a senseless tragedy but do not start blaming innocent passengers who had to witness this.

Shawna Kingsley speaks nothing but the truth. At this moment, we do not know the entire story. Many human beings have an instinct to run but in this life, I have also met many who have an instinct to help. Yes, it is indeed a horrible, horrible situation and it is almost impossible not to get angry but from what we know at this very moment, let's aim that anger towards what is being described as a large, 40-year-old monster who was wearing sunglasses. Above all else, he is the bad guy so let us shine the light and point the finger at this man. May he suffer a fate much worse than that of the young man who's life he took just west of Portage La Prairie.

And most important, may this young man rest in peace. My heart and soul goes out to his all of his family and and each and every one of his friends.

I could not disagree more. Have you ever been in a shocking, emergency situation? Things happen FAST, adreniline rises. Anyone would be terrified and run to protect themselves and their familes first. No time to think of anything except being safe especially when seeing a gleeming, blood covered knife slashing through the air. Tim was quickly unconscious, probably died within seconds. For those passengers to pull themselves together so quickly and have the sense to close off the bus was heroic. I think you would have been frozen stiff for some time Jodi.

Jodi, I realize you are a friend of Tim's, and are angry right now, but I don't think anyone is in a position to say what should have been done in this situation. You are a mother yourself, I gather? Was the mother in the back of the bus supposed to stop the crazed man, or the guy directly in front of them, who could have been slashed at any moment? Like it or not, Tim was most likely dead within a short time, although I feel very deeply for him, and the terror he must have felt those last few moments. And like it or not, the passengers saved their own lives and the lives of everyone on the bus and surrounding, and managed to contain a deraigned man so he can now be brought to justice and pay for what he did to your friend. Tim would have gained nothing by having other people die to save him. Having said all this, I realize I did not know Tim, and you may care little for what I have to say, but please understand that many people feel for you at this time, and my heart goes out to you, and all Tim's friends and family.

I can understand trying to pass blame but those people on the bus did all they could. I know it would be painful to hear but I am hoping that Tim's body shut down immediatly. Those aisles on the bus are so narrow and if the knife sounds as bad as the media is making it out to be there would have been no way someone could have wrestled that knife from that derranged sicko. The other people on that bus are victims too. They will have to live the rest of their lives with the images they saw in their minds. I have nothing but sympathy for those people. Anger needs to be directed at the crazed man who did this, not the innocent people who were on that bus as well. If anyone reads this who was on that bus or is family or a friend of someone then I am so sorry for what you have gone through. I would hate to have someone blame me for something I couldn't have controlled and something that was so shocking and horryfing.
ETA: We have to have compassion for all involved.

I am very sorry for your loss.
I have to agree with you. There might have been women and children on that bus, but how about the rest of the passengers? Cowards.

R.I.P.

How can you people come on here and say this nonsense ?
This is a TRAGEDY & that's all that needs to be said, NOones to blame but the killer. It's awful that someone so young had to lose their life to some psycho idoit but I think its better that its one person appose to 2 or 3. . who KNOWS what this guy would have done....had he been let off the bus.. You people need to get a life and realize the big picture of this matter and stop even considering & calling people cowards. . .ridiculous. . .IM PRETTY SURE if ANY of you were on the bus you would have been bolting to get off like the rest. I don't think any of you should have an opinion unless you were on that bus.

R I P. Tim * ~

Life isn't a superhero movie, human being are not invincible and a man carrying a knife trumps a man not carrying a knife. Do not speak DOWN to the people who were on the bus, DONT not SAY what you would want to happen...be there, LIVE IT and then come post this nonsense

Blaming the passengers is not right. The crazy guy stabbed the victim repeatedly in the chest without provocation or warning. By the time anyone realized what was going on, the victim was probably already dead. In the crowded confines of a bus, charging a madman with a knife would be suicidal because you can't have ten guys jump him at once. You can only take him on one-on-one in the aisles. And if a guy did want to attack the killer, he'd have to get in the way of the women and children escaping the madman.

Let's see...

a) Tim was dead or fatally wounded before anybody knew what was happening

b) Everybody else got off of the bus uninjured despite a large man crazily slashing around a large knife in a restricted space. This was because of quick thinking and cool-headedness of passengers and the driver.

c) The killer tried to escape the bus but was stopped at the door while he continued to slash at those closing the door. Sounds pretty brave on their part to me.

d) The killer tried to drive away with the bus but the driver shut the bus down with the emergency shutoff switch from the outside. If not for that quick thinking, who knows what would have happened.

I know this may not matter at this time, but for what it is worth, where are the heros who were on the 911 flights. Not always does an act of heroism go rewarded, and no one indvidual can say how they would react in this situation, you would have to live it to understand your own mind.

Hopefully no-one posting messages here does ever have to go through this type of a situation.

It is indeed a very sad situation, number one in that Tim was an innocent victim and did not even know, who did this or why this was done to him. I am sure he would be touched ny all the condolences and respectful things that are being said.

Secondly al those people on the bus will have been traumatized by what they have seen .

The killer himself never obtained the help he needed to avoid this from happening and that too is sad.

He will be judged in the end, this is something that none of us can or should do.

The focus should be on the life that is lost, all of this negativity will not bring Tim back, so the important thing is to learn from his death and try to avoid anything this horrific from happening again. But that is just my opinion. I am not saying anyone is right or wrong everyone grieves in their own way.

Jodi If you were a friend of Tims, you have the right to say what you feel in your heart, you are going through pain that you do not understand. In time as the healing starts you may think a little differently.

Focus on the good things you know and remember of Tim, that is what will get you through.

I'm going to take a guess Jodi that you have some strong ties/relationship with Tim based on your anger, frustration and such.

Tim is gone and we are all so sorry for your loss. We the people are more then willing to give you and those Tim knew our support as best we can. If in your shoes I know I'd be feeling the same as you do.

Please remember along with the evidence collected by the RCMP, it is the people who were on the bus that night who "YES" witnessed what happened to Tim, who will give their testamony and have that man dealt with.

i dont care if i was on the fucking bus or not that was my friend. he was my kids uncle, he didnt deserve to die that way and the people on that bus wherent heroic or brave. that is my point, if u didnt know him then just shut the fuck up.


THE PEOPLE ON THAT BUS WHERE NOT FUCKING HEROS OR BRAVE. THEY WHERE FUCKING LAME ASS COWARDS AND LET MY FRIEND DIE.

THEY CAN ALL FUCKING GO TO HELL FOR ALL I CARE.

who fucking cares about them my fucking friend is dead. why would u understand that so shut up

TO ALL :

HE WAS MY FRIEND A GREAT HUMAN BEING AND UNDERSTAND THAT WHY THE PEOPLE DIDNT HELP BUT THEY ARE IN NO RIGHT TO BE CALLED BRAVE HEROS, THAT IS MY POINT TIM IS DEAD AND WILL NEVER BE BACK AGAIN.

HE IS GONE AND DIED A HORRIBLE DEATH, IT IS FRIGHTENING AND I SEE THAT THE PEOPLE ON THE BUS AND THE KIDS WHERE TERRIFIED BUT THEY ARE NOT HEROS...

YES I AM A MOTHER TO 3 AND I LOVE MY KIDS SO MUCH AND TIM WAS A WONDERFUL UNCLE TO THEM, AND WAS LOVED BY SO MANY. THE FACT HE IS DEAD STILL HAUNTS ME AS IF ITS JUST A HORROR MOVIE AND HE WILL BE OVER TO SEE THE KIDS. HIM AND MY HUSBAND WHERE BEST FRIENDS, AND THIS IS SO HARD FOR ALL OF US.

SO I DONT CARE ON WHAT YOU THINK OF MY OPINIONS OF THE STUPID PEOPLEON THE BUS I CARE THAT MY FRIEND IS DEAD AND THE EOPLE WHO WHERE COWARDS WHERE CALLED HERO'S WHE THEY WHERE NOT.



I WANT MY FUCKING FRIEND BACK AND I WILL NEVER SEE HIM AGAIN.

DONT UNDERSTAND THEN JUST BACK OFF AND KEEP IT TO UR SELF

thank you and yes he was a good friend, he and my husband where like brothers he was like my big brother always there and loved my kids like his own nieces and nephew. i understand that they will help putting this man away for life (i personally wish we had the death penilty) we all love and miss tim. i just dont think any one on that bus was hero's. just from my personal point of view he was my friend i just wish he was still here

i dont care he was my friend. those passengers where not hero's thats my point and i will stick to it till the end my friend is dead and no one tried to help even tho he was being stabbed no one did anything but run. thats noy herosim...i just miss my friend and honestly dont care about the other fucking passengers

Listen, WE ARE ALL SORRY TIM DIED, but those other people prevented more people from dying. Tim was already gone before most people even knew what was happening. Saying that those people who witnessed what they witnessed should go to hell is obsurd. They are victims in this too. I can't stop thinking about this and I didn't even know Tim. I have cried numerous times and can't imagine anyones life ending the way your friends did. I think the killer is a disgrace to human kind and should be punished to the fullest extent. I don't usually agree with the death penalty but in this instance I am having a hard time being my rational self. No one could have saved Tim from that man except someone with a gun. Those other people are heros. They prevented more death and carnage. They prevented the man from fleeing away with the bus. They deserve respect too.

Do you know anyone who would have stayed and took on a psychopath armed with a knife?

I agree that no one was really a hero, but they're not cowards, either. The four people who stayed behind and trapped the madman in the bus, and then disabled the bus are worth of mention.

i understand everyone and that he was gone before everyone new what was going on but im just angry and confused im sure others in my position understand. i do understand and am glad others didnt die its just its not fair my friend is the one who had to die. the greyhouse bus should be sued for not having proper measures to make sure no one is armed but of course we have stupid idiots running the bus department. i hate them mostly not more than the killer but io hate them just as much. tim wouldnt have died if they checked this idiot better. im just so sad and horrified what has happend im still trying to tie it all together. i have a right to havre the feelings i have. and im in no mood to agrue any more. he is dead and nothing can bring him back. :'(

i understand im just angry and so many other emotions i just cant believe he is gone and had to die the way he did. i miss him so much.

Jodi, I want to cry right along with you. It shouldn't have happened. It is horrible and it will be imprinted in my mind for the rest of my life. I hope you and all of Tim's family and friends can rally around each other. It breaks my heart to think of what happened. I am so sorry you lost your friend to this vicious beast.

You are right they are not "Heros."
I guess when reading the two write ups on the internet I failed to see
where it was stated the other passengers were heros. But you are correct.

As for the death penalty?
There was a time not too long ago where I also wanted the death penalty back. This was after I got to stare down the barrel of a gun and had a baseball bat held against my throat. God knows I wanted him dead.
I wish Tim was still here for you and your family. I wish this world wasn't so full of crazy insane people such as Tim's killer. After all lets refer to the guy for what he really is shall we.

I'm glad you are replying to the people who are posting to your topic.
It's what you need to do, should do. It's only normal.

It is only normal that you are angry about what has happened, and you may always feel that way, because this was such a sensless and horrible muder. I am glad to hear that you realize that other people dying would not have helped your friend though, it would have left more people feeling the way you are now, and as angry as you may be I'm sure that is not what you want. I think mostly of your kids though, explaining this to them must be so incredibly hard, and I feel so sorry that you have to do that. Please understand that many people are not judging you for how you feel, only hoping that the days ahead are as easy as they can be under the circumstances.

You are right.
They did stop the man from getting off the bus and perhaps killing more people. Most likely he would have.

Currently Tim's family has one and only one focal point.
That being their loss of Tim and the horrific death he suffered.
Currently they are emotionally unable to see the whole picture like those of us who are not sharing in their grief.

Give them time...

I had to join this group and reply. Yes, horrible and horrific and that young upstanding man had to deal with this. His family, friends, co workers, or for that matter all of Canada. I think everyone in Canada and the rest of the world was deeply touched by this situation, not to mention our sense of security has now gone down a few notches. Tim NEVER deserved what happened to him, no one but the 'man' who did this to him will ever be able to explain why it happened.

Jodi. I understand your anger. I have lost a brother, husband, grandparents, cousin, friends and family friends all in the last 5 years. No, none of them were murdered, but all of them died unexpectedly except two of my grandparents. Everything from suicide, to stupid addictions, to drunk driving. I had anger. I had frustration. I hated the world. I still do to this day. How dare any of them die? How dare they be in the wrong place at the wrong time?

But Jodi, there is NO WAY in the world you can come on the internet, let alone facebook and call the other people on the bus cowards. They are going to have to live with this for the rest of their lives. What about the young kids on the bus? How will their life be? Yes, Tim died, and again, it was unwarranted and horrible I agree. I do believe, and maybe I am the only one, but by reading these posts I know I'm not. The bus driver is a hero to me. He disabled the bus, can you IMAGINE what would have happened to anyone else this psycho encountered? DRIVING A HUGE GREYHOUND BUS? And I watched the guy on the news say over and over again how THEY WENT BACK TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANYTHING THEY COULD DO TO HELP OR IF HE WAS EVEN STILL ALIVE. I'm sure there have been times in your life (you're lying if you say no) where something happened and you ran away. Maybe grabbed your kids and ran? Left? Protected them? These bus passengers were acting on instinct, human nature.

My point is, everyone in the world experiences loss. You need to get some counselling for yourself and for your husband, even your young children if they were that close to him. This post wasn't to make you angry, it was to make you understand that other people have experienced loss as well. But coming on the internet to a public group and getting mad when people stand up for who you are beating down is wrong. Everyone lost something that night, Tim's friends and family and Tim himself more than others, we are all grieving with you, but get some help. Trust me it will help.

What poeple should understand is, this is Jodi's way of grieving. Not ours, hers.
Yup she lashed out at some of us and a few she didn't.
Jodi, if I may say so, is trying to find answers to questions she has.
Like, "Why Tim?"
I believe we all hit it on the nail for the most part to some degree.
Lets all try, including myself,to allow Jodi to vent.
For those of us who were lashed out at, well only Jodi can speek for her self.
But please be as understanding as you can be. She lost someone she loved as part of her family, Tim was family.

You are absolutely right. When our family lost my 23 year old nephew to the actions of another we were all looking to blame anyone and everyone who didn't act like super heroes to try and save Jason. Jodi's reaction is perfectly normal. I agree when you said to let her vent. She really needs to. She doesn't mean to hurt anyones feelings I'm sure. The 2 main emotions she's feeling right now are rage and pain. I've been there Jodi and I just want you to know that whatever your feeling right now is ok. You go ahead and scream at the world if it gives you any comfort. My heart goes out to Tim, his family and all his friends. R.I.P Tim