Any idea ?
My Opinion :
1. His skill
2. Great Horse ->anyone knows bout this?
3. Great strategy from Zhuge Liang
4. His strictly obey the strategy from Zhuge

1. His skill is really great.
He even can kill 3 captains(If I'm not mistaken) when he was old(northern campaign)
2. There are no records about his horse....
He probably used strong and fast horse like other general, but personally I don't think it depends on that
3+4. He always obey Zhuge Liang but I think it's not the reason why he was never been caught at war... Zhuge give his plan only to a person that can take that resposibilities. If he pick Zhao Yun to relize his plan, it means he is very sure that Zhao Yun can complete it+escape from it if things get worse.

The most reasonable reason is b'coz he is a great general with not only skill to fight but also with a skill to lead and an intelligence of survival

CMIIW : Zhao Zilong has a great white horse, the legend says he ride a white horse when save Liu Bei's son (or its fiction??)

no one can catch him cause he never defeat in a battle.How can you catch him if you can beat him.

To Wahyu :His white horse is famous (that's why some people called him the white rider). But there are no records about his horse speed or might...
Oh yeah, as info Hex Mark Harness or Ti Lu (Liu Bei's horse)is also white... not like in DW.

To Lutfhi : don't forget Chang Ban Slope....He has no army to support him there when he have to save that Stupid O Tou(Liu Chan)

To everyone :
The story of Zhao Yun's Chang Ban Slope rescue is fake. He never did. In fact history recorded that Cao Cao's army was late at that time (Liu Bei's army were already safe in the other banks of the river). That story was much exaggerated.

To Yosua :
That's right. No record whatsoever about Zhao Yun's white horse. But it was recorded that white horses (at that time) possess superior power and speed over all others.

I think he was never caught simply because he wasn't so famous as Guan Yu or Zhang Fei. It's not easy to identify someone that wasn't quite famous.

Yup absolutely...
From What I know, Zhao Yun name become famous for Chinese b'coz of San Guo Zhi

The horse "Ti Lu" or "Di Lu" bring bad omen to every rider but Liu Bei..
(see Pang Tong for example).
If Zilong have that kind of luck,obviously it's not TiLu..


Just a note:
Wikipedia wrote that "Liu Chan" is a mispronounced name. the actual name is Liu Shan.. And Yosua is right,he's stupid.

Ha ha ha...
Until now Chinese use his name character to refer word "FOOL"

Um about the horse bad omen...
It's absolutely fiction.
It's only Lo Guan Zhong Idea to show that Liu Bei is a man that chosen by the heaven....

Just for your information, Andre, Yosua was right. Pang Tong indeed didn't get killed in the Valley of the Fallen Phoenix. He was died of sickness when he was doing his duty as the administrator of Jing Zhou much much later. In fact the Ti Lu (or Tek Louw in Hokkian) was never mentioned even once in the historical record.

From what I heard, Pang Tong is only an ordinary officer....

About Ti Lu, probably that horse idea came up b'coz Liu Bei have a white horse. So Lo Guan Zhong created that story b'coz like Roy said before, Chinese at that time believe that white horse posses a great ability..

Oops,my bad..^^
I was fooled by the novel then..

About Zilong,i agree with Roy. Guan Yu and Zhang Fei was way too atractive..=D

Anyway,thx for the info.

That's true, Yosua. At that time the job of administration means only doing paperwork and some secretariate stuffs. Not quite an important position. But... but... should he alive, Jing Zhou wouldn't have fallen so easily.

Actually whether it was Liu Chan or Liu Shan is debatable.

Because the chinese word of his name is actually "Chan" but as with some other words, they might have different pronunciation if put in different context.

I believe the TV ROTK used Liu Shan while I have some Chinese friends said it is Liu Chan... so I am not too sure too.

Umm...
So you mean Pang Tong also play some important part on Shu's politics?

A big fat YES ! According to history, Pang Tong was actually more of a politician than a strategist. When he was there, Jing Zhou was very formidable county not even Sun Quan dared to invade. But after his death, it fell so easily.

By the way do you know why Liu Bei sent Pang Tong to Jing Zhou instead of staying at Cheng Du ? Because he was ugly.

Ha ha ha...
at that time he (Liu Bei) disobeyed Zhuge, right?

By the way...
Did pang Tong really play a part on Chi Bi?

You are right. I've checked... Liu Bei's son is called LIU SHAN not Chan. Both are the same chinese character but in this context, it is SHAN.

Thanks for pointing out and I think Rangga was the first one who had the correct pronunciation.

I agree with Axl. He was called Liu Shan. The calling of Liu Chan make his name sounds more like Crayon Shin-Chan or Kobo-Chan. Yup, Rangga was right.

To Yosua :
Yes he did. And what's unfortunate was the administrator at that time was Wang Fu, who was not even had a half of Pang Tong's capability in strategy.
Should he lived, Jing Zhou would have a far superior basis of defense and at least when it was defeated, Guan Yu should have lived.

Poor Guan Yu....

Hmm..
So you can say that although Pang Tong never play a part on direct war like in San Guo Yan Yi, but he play an important role in Shu's defense...
I think he deserve the title "Fledgling Phoenix"

Yes. And as Axl stated in his other post (or maybe even this one, I forgot) administration officer is the most important person. Why ? Because he was the one building up the country's strength to make war. Strategists are only good at making war and lessening the casualties caused by it. And politician works as diplomats.

About Fledgling Phoenix... that's Pang Tong's historical title. He was a genius as well as diligent.

I don't think we should say poor Guan Yu. I doubt that if Pang Tong lived, he would listen to him.

And why is that?

Why is what ? Guan Yu wouldn't listen ? Cause as everybody guessed, he had grown so swell-headed. He thought he was great. And besides, Pang Tong was sent away from the capital because Liu Bei didn't trust him (and that's only because he was ugly... imagine that... )

He he he
The Chinese surely don't know the quotes

"Don't judge the book by it's cover"

That's why appearance hold a very important role at that time he he he...

The Chinese surely knows that... there are a few proverbs on it.

But we are humans, and the truth is, most of the time we DO judge a book by it's cover.

Anyway, I suspect besides his looks, Mr Phoenix might have been quite bad with manners and pissed off his employers.

Yup, you are right. Sometimes we still judge the book by its cover, even mostly maybe...

According to what I've learnt, Pang Tong was quite a vocal man back then. He kept criticizing the way Liu Bei running Shu. But unlike Zhang Song (when he criticized Cao Cao's book), Pang Tong did it without being asked. Maybe we could consider it as his form of loyalty towards Liu Bei, helping him organizing Shu to it's best form. But Liu Bei couldn't seem to take it very well (and so did Cao Cao). As about why I really couldn't answer that. Maybe he just thought Pang Tong was impolite ?

Maybe, and that also supported by his ugly looks. The Chinese didn't know Democracy at that time so it is impolite to criticized a Ruler

Trust me, it is impolite to criticize a ruler at any time... democratic or not.

Despite having a high IQ, Pang Tong was obviously low on his EQ.

About Pang Tong : does anybody noticed he's a natural born genious? He was said the most talented scholar by famous scholar Sima Hui.... His effort in Western Shu campaign was undoubtable even though he had to end died after being ambushed by Zhang Ren... His carelessness brought disaster to him and according to legend Zhang's troops considered him as Liu Bei because he's riding on Liu Bei's horse Dilu which said always brought bad luck for its rider except Liu Bei... the story said he has an ugly face reminds me with the character of Hashiba Hideyoshi in Sengoku Period... ugly but genious...

Umm about Hideyoshi...
I think he more looked like Liu Bang...
He didn't have any spacial education on his childhood. He is only a stupid peasant before he met Oda Nobunaga...
He got his ability to fight from Nobunaga + Mitsuhide Akechi + Katsuie Shibata
He got his political and military strategy skill from Hanbei Takanaka.

After the death of Nobunaga, he depended his political and military strategy to Mitsunari Ishida...

Just Like Liu Bang who able to see people potency and used them to make him more stronger.