Isa: Genocidal Warmonger

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Ben wroteon July 15, 2009 at 7:09pm
Reliance of the Traveller, Book O, Chapter 9.8 deals directly with Jihad against "people of the book", but it goes much further in a peripheral revelation which should not be ignored.
http://www.nku.edu/%7Ekenneyr/Islam/Reliance.html

O9.8: The Objectives of Jihad

The caliph (o25) makes war upon Jews, Christians, and Zoroastrians (N: provided he has first invited them to enter Islam in faith and practice, and if they will not, then invited them to enter the social order of Islam by paying the non-Muslim poll tax (jizya, def: o11.4) -which is the significance of their paying it, not the money itself-while remaining in their ancestral religions) (O: and the war continues) until they become Muslim or else pay the non-Muslim poll tax (O: in accordance with the word of Allah Most High,

"Fight those who do not believe in Allah and the Last Day and who forbid not what Allah and His messenger have forbidden-who do not practice the religion of truth, being of those who have been given the Book-until they pay the poll tax out of hand and are humbled" (Koran 9.29),

the time and place for which is before the final descent of Jesus (upon whom be peace). After his final coming, nothing but Islam will be accepted from them, for taking the poll tax is only effective until Jesus' descent (upon him and our Prophet be peace), which is the divinely revealed law of Muhammad. The coming of Jesus does not entail a separate divinely revealed law, for he will rule by the law of Muhammad. As for the Prophet's saying (Allah bless him and give him peace),

"I am the last, there will be no prophet after me,"

this does not contradict the final coming of Jesus (upon whom be peace), since he will not rule according to the Evangel, but as a follower of our Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) ).

After stating the law and its scriptural basis, the Shafi'ite school goes further down the slippery slope of blasphemy.

the time and place for which is before the final descent of Jesus (upon whom be peace). After his final coming, nothing but Islam will be accepted from them, for taking the poll tax is only effective until Jesus' descent (upon him and our Prophet be peace), which is the divinely revealed law of Muhammad.

Islam must wage its war against Jews & Christians before Isa returns. After the second coming, Jizya will not be accepted: Jews & Christians will be converted or killed, just like pagans under Islamic law. Refer to O9.9.

The coming of Jesus does not entail a separate divinely revealed law, for he will rule by the law of Muhammad. As for the Prophet's saying (Allah bless him and give him peace),

"I am the last, there will be no prophet after me,"

Isa was a prophet; Isa was taken up to Allah whole and alive; therefore he remains a prophet and that status will not be diminished at the second coming. The blasphemy continues with an assertion that Isa will govern by the Qur'an instead of his Gospel.

this does not contradict the final coming of Jesus (upon whom be peace), since he will not rule according to the Evangel, but as a follower of our Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) ).

Isa will rule; he will be the Caliph. What does the Caliph do? His chief activity is exposed above: he makes war upon Jews & Christians. The next section informs us that the Caliph fights all other people until they become Muslim. We now know that this second dispensation will apply to Jews & Christians after the second coming.

O9.9

The caliph fights all other peoples until they become Muslim (O: because they are not a people with a Book, nor honored as such, and are not permitted to settle with paying the poll tax (jizya) ) (n: though according to the Hanafi school, peoples of all other religions, even idol worshippers, are permitted to live under the protection of the Islamic state if they either become Muslim or agree to pay the poll tax, the sole exceptions to which are apostates from Islam and idol worshippers who are Arabs, neither of whom has any choice but becoming Muslim (al-Hidaya sharh Bidaya al-mubtadi' (y21), 6.48-49) ).

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Ben replied to Ben's poston July 15, 2009 at 7:36pm
In the initial post of this thread, I laid the groundwork with quotes from Islamic law. Examine the tradition behind the excrement posted above.

Sunan Abu Dawud Book 37, Number 4310:
Narrated AbuHurayrah:

The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: There is no prophet between me and him, that is, Jesus (peace_be_upon_him). He will descent (to the earth). When you see him, recognise him: a man of medium height, reddish fair, wearing two light yellow garments, looking as if drops were falling down from his head though it will not be wet. He will fight the people for the cause of Islam. He will break the cross, kill swine, and abolish jizyah. Allah will perish all religions except Islam. He will destroy the Antichrist and will live on the earth for forty years and then he will die. The Muslims will pray over him.
http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/abudawud/037.sat.html#037.4310

What will Isa do?
> He will fight the people for the cause of Islam.
>break the cross
>kill swine
>abolish jizyah

Break the cross? Kill the swine? What is the meaning of this??
A Saudi text book quoted in this article:
http://www.kuwaittimes.net/read_news.php?newsid=MTU5Nzk1NjkyMw
exposes the awful truth.
As cited in Ibn Abbas: The apes are Jews, the keepers of the Sabbath; while the swine are the Christian infidels of the communion of Jesus."

The hadith says that Isa will kill the swine, meaning the remaining faithful Christians. It says that Allah will perish all religions except Islam. Thus "break the cross" is obviously a reference to destroying Christianity.

Isa returns to kill the Christians and destroy the Church. That makes him a genocidal traitor to Christianity. If that ain't blasphemy, what the Hell would be???

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Ben replied to Ben's poston July 15, 2009 at 7:43pm
No, I will not sit down and shut up! I have more to reveal, and I will reveal it!

7:167. And (remember) when your Lord declared that He would certainly keep on sending against them (i.e. the Jews), till the Day of Resurrection, those who would afflict them with a humiliating torment. Verily, your Lord is Quick in Retribution (for the disobedient, wicked) and certainly He is Oft­Forgiving, Most Merciful (for the obedient and those who beg Allâh's Forgiveness).
http://www.qurancomplex.com/Quran/Targama/Targama.asp?nSora= 7&l=eng&nAya= 167# 7_ 167

Ibn Kathir's Tafsir will open the eyes of all but the zombies.
Eternal Humiliation placed on the Jews
http://www.tafsir.com/default.asp?sid= 7&tid= 18998

[...]In the future, the Jews will support the Dajjal (False Messiah); and the Muslims, along with `Isa, son of Mary, will kill the Jews. This will occur just before the end of this world. [...]

Isa: genocidal warmonger: kills the Christians, kills the Jews, leads the Muslims in battle.
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Ben replied to Ben's poston July 15, 2009 at 7:49pm
Hence forth you know, and should remain cognizant of the following fatal fact:
Islam is entirely incompatible with & inimical to Christianity. There is no common ground. There is no "common word" but "submission". Submit to Islam and you'll have something in common with Muslims: you'll be a damned fool slave of Allah.

Islam is a plan of genocidal conquest on a global scope & scale. It co-opts Jesus Christ as a genocidal warlord. Who can know this and not curse Islam?

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Bassam wroteon July 16, 2009 at 5:21pm
I dont know whose Isa ......f*** Isa.
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Cuhraytin wroteon July 16, 2009 at 5:22pm
Isa is Muslim Jesus
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Ben replied to Ben's poston July 16, 2009 at 6:11pm
Before deprecating the collection, read this introduction
http://abudawudshareef.blogspot.com/
by Prof. Ahmad Hasan.

Wikipedia lists Sunan Abu Dawud as third of the six canonical hadith collections.

Consider the narrator: "Of the hadith held as authentic by the majority Sunnis, Abu Hurraira is the most quoted person. Next to him comes the names of such companions as Abdullah ibn Umar, Anas ibn Malik, Aishah, Jabir ibn Abdullah and Abu Said al-Khudri all of whom transmitted over a thousand sayings of Muhammad." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Hurairah

Abu Hurraira also narrates in Bukhari's Sahih:
Volume 3, Book 34, Number 425:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah's Apostle said, "By Him in Whose Hands my soul is, son of Mary (Jesus) will shortly descend amongst you people (Muslims) as a just ruler and will break the Cross and kill the pig and abolish the Jizya (a tax taken from the non-Muslims, who are in the protection, of the Muslim government). Then there will be abundance of money and no-body will accept charitable gifts.
http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/bukhari/034.sbt.html#003.034.425

Volume 3, Book 43, Number 656:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until the son of Mary (i.e. Jesus) descends amongst you as a just ruler, he will break the cross, kill the pigs, and abolish the Jizya tax. Money will be in abundance so that nobody will accept it (as charitable gifts).

Muslim collected similar hadith.
Book 001, Number 0287:

Abu Huraira reported that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: By Him in Whose hand is my life, the son of Mary (may peace be upon him) will soon descend among you as a just judge. He will break crosses, kill swine and abolish Jizya and the wealth will pour forth to such an extent that no one will accept it.
http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/muslim/001.smt.html#001.0287

Book 041, Number 6924:

Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The Last Hour would not come until the Romans would land at al-A'maq or in Dabiq. An army consisting of the best (soldiers) of the people of the earth at that time will come from Medina (to counteract them). When they will arrange themselves in ranks, the Romans would say: Do not stand between us and those (Muslims) who took prisoners from amongst us. Let us fight with them; and the Muslims would say: Nay, by Allah, we would never get aside from you and from our brethren that you may fight them. They will then fight and a third (part) of the army would run away, whom Allah will never forgive. A third (part of the army). which would be constituted of excellent martyrs in Allah's eye, would be killed ani the third who would never be put to trial would win and they would be conquerors of Constantinople. And as they would be busy in distributing the spoils of war (amongst themselves) after hanging their swords by the olive trees, the Satan would cry: The Dajjal has taken your place among your family. They would then come out, but it would be of no avail. And when they would come to Syria, he would come out while they would be still preparing themselves for battle drawing up the ranks. Certainly, the time of prayer shall come and then Jesus (peace be upon him) son of Mary would descend and would lead them in prayer. When the enemy of Allah would see him, it would (disappear) just as the salt dissolves itself in water and if he (Jesus) were not to confront them at all, even then it would dissolve completely, but Allah would kill them by his hand and he would show them their blood on his lance (the lance of Jesus Christ).

Book 041, Number 6924:

Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The Last Hour would not come until the Romans would land at al-A'maq or in Dabiq. An army consisting of the best (soldiers) of the people of the earth at that time will come from Medina (to counteract them). When they will arrange themselves in ranks, the Romans would say: Do not stand between us and those (Muslims) who took prisoners from amongst us. Let us fight with them; and the Muslims would say: Nay, by Allah, we would never get aside from you and from our brethren that you may fight them. They will then fight and a third (part) of the army would run away, whom Allah will never forgive. A third (part of the army). which would be constituted of excellent martyrs in Allah's eye, would be killed ani the third who would never be put to trial would win and they would be conquerors of Constantinople. And as they would be busy in distributing the spoils of war (amongst themselves) after hanging their swords by the olive trees, the Satan would cry: The Dajjal has taken your place among your family. They would then come out, but it would be of no avail. And when they would come to Syria, he would come out while they would be still preparing themselves for battle drawing up the ranks. Certainly, the time of prayer shall come and then Jesus (peace be upon him) son of Mary would descend and would lead them in prayer. When the enemy of Allah would see him, it would (disappear) just as the salt dissolves itself in water and if he (Jesus) were not to confront them at all, even then it would dissolve completely, but Allah would kill them by his hand and he would show them their blood on his lance (the lance of Jesus Christ).
Book 041, Number 6924:

Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The Last Hour would not come until the Romans would land at al-A'maq or in Dabiq. An army consisting of the best (soldiers) of the people of the earth at that time will come from Medina (to counteract them). When they will arrange themselves in ranks, the Romans would say: Do not stand between us and those (Muslims) who took prisoners from amongst us. Let us fight with them; and the Muslims would say: Nay, by Allah, we would never get aside from you and from our brethren that you may fight them. They will then fight and a third (part) of the army would run away, whom Allah will never forgive. A third (part of the army). which would be constituted of excellent martyrs in Allah's eye, would be killed ani the third who would never be put to trial would win and they would be conquerors of Constantinople. And as they would be busy in distributing the spoils of war (amongst themselves) after hanging their swords by the olive trees, the Satan would cry: The Dajjal has taken your place among your family. They would then come out, but it would be of no avail. And when they would come to Syria, he would come out while they would be still preparing themselves for battle drawing up the ranks. Certainly, the time of prayer shall come and then Jesus (peace be upon him) son of Mary would descend and would lead them in prayer. When the enemy of Allah would see him, it would (disappear) just as the salt dissolves itself in water and if he (Jesus) were not to confront them at all, even then it would dissolve completely, but Allah would kill them by his hand and he would show them their blood on his lance (the lance of Jesus Christ).

http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/muslim/041.smt.html#041.6924




Post #8
Ben replied to Bassam's poston July 16, 2009 at 6:13pm
Isa is the Arabic rendering of Jesus. Note that in the hadith I quoted, the translator rendered it into English.
Post #9
Ben wroteon July 16, 2009 at 8:44pm
The initial posts of this thread are a subset of a long, detailed and fully documented blog post titled: The Defamation of Jesus Christ. Your favorite search engine should easily find it.
Post #10
Ben wroteon July 17, 2009 at 4:40pm
This thread presents information which can not be refuted. Islam co-opts Jesus Christ as a genocidal warmonger. That is the ultimate blasphemy, and the Muslims are unable to defend it. For that reason, they ignore this thread and do not attempt to answer it.
Post #11
Ben wroteon July 18, 2009 at 3:21pm
This thread has been published for more than 24 hours without any attempt by Muslims or apologists to refute it. My previous post explained why they won't reply. Their silence speaks volumes.
Post #12
Ben wroteon July 19, 2009 at 1:38pm
The incontrovertible facts stand unrefuted. Neither Muslim, dhimmi nor apologist can refute them.

The incontrovertible facts have now been published in the form of a blog post:
What Will Jesus Do? Lovers of life & liberty are urged to copy the blog post and propagate it by email.
Post #13
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Shahin wroteon July 19, 2009 at 1:55pm
thats probably cos no body bothered to even read it... you're jus babbling on and on and on and on and on... are you enjoying your little monologue with yourself huh? lol You're like a freakin tractor!
Ok..give me about a week to read through all your crap... then I'l respond. Ok.... time to psych myself up for the long boring and dreary road ahead... a journey into the mind of Ben Powell...!! lol
Welcome to the land of retards everbody!!!! Ben Powell welcomes one and all... step right up folks step right up..... somebody please summarize all his BS for me... :)
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Ben replied to Shahin's poston July 19, 2009 at 7:49pm
Argumentum ad hominem does not cut the mustard. Try addressing the fatal facts. Islam's canon of scripture, tradition, exegeses & jurisprudence depicts Jesus Christ as a genocidal Muslim warlord.
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Shahin replied to Ben's poston July 19, 2009 at 8:36pm
Okaaaay, hold your horses... Im getting there.... Im like 1/10 finish already :P I told you to give me a week!! lol, Well, Im off work for the next 2 days... so I'l respond on Wednesday k...
Post #16
Ben wroteon July 20, 2009 at 12:38pm
Islam's record, exposed on the face of its canon, is so crystal clear that denial is impossible. Islam depicts Jesus Christ as a genocidal warlord who will return to lead the Muslims in the final genocide against Christians and Jews. Learn it, live it, love it.
Post #17
Ben wroteon July 21, 2009 at 8:35pm
The facts stand on record, unrefuted. Muslims have no answer for the clear meaning of their canon of exegeses & tradition.

"What Will Jesus Do?" is the question that exposes Islam most clearly. We must make good and frequent use of it!
Post #18
Ben wroteon July 22, 2009 at 6:43pm
This thread is so important, it deserves a place at the top of the list. Let the Muz see it and crap their pants 'cuz they can't refute it.

Islam is exposed so that everyone can see and smell it.
Post #19
Ben wroteon July 25, 2009 at 10:15pm
It is time for another trip to the top of the list so that new members can discover it easily.