Why would he?
Topic: Why would he?
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Post #1
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Brad wroteon August 9, 2007 at 6:52pm
I was hoping that somebody could enlighten me on this question, please really think about your answer, I will not accept the answer "because he loves us", please give me more substance.
Why would a 'god' create humans to only live less than 100 years on average just so he can judge them and then have their fates decided for eternity?
This isn't an argument for reincarnation... just wondering why a 'god' would go through all the trouble of creating a whole world just so he can play a giant glitch filled game of Sims?
This is why I can't believe in a 'god'... To imagine that some omnipresent all mighty being would create such little poorly made toys... just so they could worship him... and he would refuse to out right show them he exists but severely punish them if they don't worship and know him.
Not saying I can't understand the concept... but 'he' would have to be one hell of a twisted vane S.O.B... Actually he sounds like my kind of guy... but I wouldn't worship him... sick bastard.
So please just answer me, rationaly why would a 'god' create such a small insignificant (because face it, in the grand scheme of things, you aren't that important, and neither am I) race of beings just so they can live and devote their whole lives to him and be judged for all eternity (and please truly grasp what eternity means) after only 100 years or less?
Why would a 'god' create humans to only live less than 100 years on average just so he can judge them and then have their fates decided for eternity?
This isn't an argument for reincarnation... just wondering why a 'god' would go through all the trouble of creating a whole world just so he can play a giant glitch filled game of Sims?
This is why I can't believe in a 'god'... To imagine that some omnipresent all mighty being would create such little poorly made toys... just so they could worship him... and he would refuse to out right show them he exists but severely punish them if they don't worship and know him.
Not saying I can't understand the concept... but 'he' would have to be one hell of a twisted vane S.O.B... Actually he sounds like my kind of guy... but I wouldn't worship him... sick bastard.
So please just answer me, rationaly why would a 'god' create such a small insignificant (because face it, in the grand scheme of things, you aren't that important, and neither am I) race of beings just so they can live and devote their whole lives to him and be judged for all eternity (and please truly grasp what eternity means) after only 100 years or less?

Post #2
Giancarlo wroteon August 9, 2007 at 10:56pm
I agree.
that is another thing that does not make sense, but then again there are the deists who believe in a god, not the god of any conventional religion, but rather a god who only set it motion the creation & has left it alone since to run its own course, as this god sits apart from human & universal affairs.
other than the deist explanation there are many complications & holes in the concept of a god.
that is another thing that does not make sense, but then again there are the deists who believe in a god, not the god of any conventional religion, but rather a god who only set it motion the creation & has left it alone since to run its own course, as this god sits apart from human & universal affairs.
other than the deist explanation there are many complications & holes in the concept of a god.

Post #3
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Jason replied to Brad's poston October 13, 2007 at 9:34pm
First of all, God does do everything because He loves us....His followers, that it.
To answer your first question, if humans on average lived more than a hundred years, there would not be enough resources to care for the people of the earth. That part is pretty much common sense. The second part of this answer is that God created EVERYTHING. Without Him, nothing would be able to live, so doesn't that give Him the right to judge us?
I think saying that God is playing Sims is a twisted way of looking at it. God does not tell you that you have to do everything (such as one would do when playing Sims); He doesn't even make you do anything. It is a human choice that either God can inluence or Satan can.
Why would you compare yourself to a lifeless, souless toy? That's just undermining the human spirit. Here's a question for you: if you were omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, and you created everything that has ever been created, wouldn't you want the creation that you made to resemble yourself worship you? Or, I could ask, would it not please you if they worshiped you? I mean, if you are omnipotent and omniscient, then you know exactly how to torment people (plagues, deaths, famines, etc.) if they turn their back on you and begin worshipping false idols. It is not jealousy; it is respect.
For your final question, God could wipe out the entire face of this universe without moving a muscle. He created life so others could enjoy His gifts, but mankind turned his back on God and now we are punished for it. One sin caused all the problems we have to day, and I do believe that it is fair. I know that you and Giancarlo are disagreeing with everything I am saying, but I really don't care what ya'll say back because there is no way I will turn away from the most awesome being ever, my Father, God. So bring on the mocking and the "theories" that ya'll have about all of this.
God Bless All,
~G4~
To answer your first question, if humans on average lived more than a hundred years, there would not be enough resources to care for the people of the earth. That part is pretty much common sense. The second part of this answer is that God created EVERYTHING. Without Him, nothing would be able to live, so doesn't that give Him the right to judge us?
I think saying that God is playing Sims is a twisted way of looking at it. God does not tell you that you have to do everything (such as one would do when playing Sims); He doesn't even make you do anything. It is a human choice that either God can inluence or Satan can.
Why would you compare yourself to a lifeless, souless toy? That's just undermining the human spirit. Here's a question for you: if you were omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, and you created everything that has ever been created, wouldn't you want the creation that you made to resemble yourself worship you? Or, I could ask, would it not please you if they worshiped you? I mean, if you are omnipotent and omniscient, then you know exactly how to torment people (plagues, deaths, famines, etc.) if they turn their back on you and begin worshipping false idols. It is not jealousy; it is respect.
For your final question, God could wipe out the entire face of this universe without moving a muscle. He created life so others could enjoy His gifts, but mankind turned his back on God and now we are punished for it. One sin caused all the problems we have to day, and I do believe that it is fair. I know that you and Giancarlo are disagreeing with everything I am saying, but I really don't care what ya'll say back because there is no way I will turn away from the most awesome being ever, my Father, God. So bring on the mocking and the "theories" that ya'll have about all of this.
God Bless All,
~G4~

Post #4
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Giancarlo replied to Jason's poston October 13, 2007 at 10:15pm
"The second part of this answer is that God created EVERYTHING. Without Him, nothing would be able to live."
first, prove that there is a god that created everything.
we already do live in a godless world & everything seems to function quite well, aside from, of course, many discrepencies in this "creation," such as the human eye. but nonetheless, everything operates on nature & humans opperate on much more -- free will.
" It is a human choice that either God can inluence or Satan can."
with an existant god there can be no free will.
god is all knowing & all powerful, thus, our choices have been dictated already.
many people have failed to prove a god, Descartes, for instance, did it miserably. & that is how dehummanizing religion gets -- we are all born into this world already a sinner & we are in debt for it. that's a horrible way to begin a life. I am sorry to say, but religion is not life affirming, as Friedrrich Nietzsche claims -- the great philosopher who once claimed that "god is dead."
first, prove that there is a god that created everything.
we already do live in a godless world & everything seems to function quite well, aside from, of course, many discrepencies in this "creation," such as the human eye. but nonetheless, everything operates on nature & humans opperate on much more -- free will.
" It is a human choice that either God can inluence or Satan can."
with an existant god there can be no free will.
god is all knowing & all powerful, thus, our choices have been dictated already.
many people have failed to prove a god, Descartes, for instance, did it miserably. & that is how dehummanizing religion gets -- we are all born into this world already a sinner & we are in debt for it. that's a horrible way to begin a life. I am sorry to say, but religion is not life affirming, as Friedrrich Nietzsche claims -- the great philosopher who once claimed that "god is dead."

Post #5
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Dan replied to Giancarlo's poston October 14, 2007 at 4:14pm
We can't really prove anything. It's all about faith. I could say look outside your bedroom window and see the trees, feel the wind, the touch grass; the many different kinds of animals, plants, humans; the complex systems that we humans and animals and even plants have. Then of course the the universe itself, the stars, the Sun, the Earth itself. I can ask you to do all of that but when it comes down to it, we can't really prove it. Just like scientist can't prove the Big Bang or the new theory of being born gay.
However, unlike trying to prove the Big Bang or someone is born gay, faith is different. Call it blind faith if you want, but if you get a chance to just open up and see this faith for yourself then you will realize it's not so blinding after all.
However, unlike trying to prove the Big Bang or someone is born gay, faith is different. Call it blind faith if you want, but if you get a chance to just open up and see this faith for yourself then you will realize it's not so blinding after all.

Post #6
Giancarlo replied to Dan's poston October 14, 2007 at 4:40pm
science can explain how things work, the composition of things, etc., obviously not eveything in the known universe as of yet, but as time progresses & as does the mind, we continue to discover more.
the big bang is a well established theory that explains the expansion of the universe.
there is evidence behind it.
no logical person nor reasonable scientist would go beyond the realm of proof & tell you how the universe was created b/c one simply cannot determine that. but that unknown is fine.
we do not need to venture outside of our present understanding.
& being gay simply is not just a choice that is mulled over for a short or lengthy period of time.
there are many explanations for homosexuality, but one is not that you just magically choose nor decide one day not to be.
homoesexuality, seen throughout history, is not restricted to humans either.
it extends to the animal kingdom.
the being of a god is simply an unnecessary multiplication of factors.
a violation of Ockham's Razor.
the big bang is a well established theory that explains the expansion of the universe.
there is evidence behind it.
no logical person nor reasonable scientist would go beyond the realm of proof & tell you how the universe was created b/c one simply cannot determine that. but that unknown is fine.
we do not need to venture outside of our present understanding.
& being gay simply is not just a choice that is mulled over for a short or lengthy period of time.
there are many explanations for homosexuality, but one is not that you just magically choose nor decide one day not to be.
homoesexuality, seen throughout history, is not restricted to humans either.
it extends to the animal kingdom.
the being of a god is simply an unnecessary multiplication of factors.
a violation of Ockham's Razor.
Post deleted on October 14, 2007 at 4:49pm

Post #8
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Giancarlo replied to Caleb's poston October 14, 2007 at 4:56pm
if god's law is love then what is with all the bloodshed in the bible & throughout the history of the church?
Post deleted on October 14, 2007 at 8:52pm

Post #10
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Giancarlo replied to Caleb's poston October 14, 2007 at 8:58pm
is the bible not divinely inspired; & thus guided by god.
so this bloodshed in the bible is alright then, is it not?
the rules defined in the bible are correct then?
so this bloodshed in the bible is alright then, is it not?
the rules defined in the bible are correct then?
Post deleted on October 14, 2007 at 10:03pm

Post #12
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Giancarlo replied to Caleb's poston October 15, 2007 at 1:35am
oh, so then murder & stoning our children for disobedience is alright then.
Post deleted on October 16, 2007 at 1:03am

Post #14
Giancarlo replied to Caleb's poston October 16, 2007 at 5:46am
I did not say god came down & did that.
I said that it is condoned in the bible.
read the website I posted for you on the main wall.
I said that it is condoned in the bible.
read the website I posted for you on the main wall.

Post #15
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Andrea replied to Caleb's poston October 16, 2007 at 10:51am
The Crucifixion.
Yeah, I went there.
....Although if Jesus is God the father, would that also be considered suicide?
...I'm actually being serious, as I have just thought of this question and the serious implications thereof.
Yeah, I went there.
....Although if Jesus is God the father, would that also be considered suicide?
...I'm actually being serious, as I have just thought of this question and the serious implications thereof.
Post deleted on October 16, 2007 at 12:47pm

Post #17
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Andrea replied to Caleb's poston October 16, 2007 at 1:05pm
Murder via inaction.
Or rather, because God sent Jesus to get killed in the first place. I believe that's The Point.
BTW, I think he was referring to one of the first five books of the Bible where all the laws are. Harsh punishment for disobediant children (and wives) and all that.
You even try to pull that "The Jews Killed Christ" bull and I will snap. Seriously, it's an insult to the entire Jewish community.
You are digging yourself a giant hole. Just stop.
One more BTW, the "Crucifixion" answer was just me being silly/keeping you on your toes. So, somebody's sarcasm detector is broken. =/
Or rather, because God sent Jesus to get killed in the first place. I believe that's The Point.
BTW, I think he was referring to one of the first five books of the Bible where all the laws are. Harsh punishment for disobediant children (and wives) and all that.
You even try to pull that "The Jews Killed Christ" bull and I will snap. Seriously, it's an insult to the entire Jewish community.
You are digging yourself a giant hole. Just stop.
One more BTW, the "Crucifixion" answer was just me being silly/keeping you on your toes. So, somebody's sarcasm detector is broken. =/
Post deleted on October 16, 2007 at 1:26pm

Post #19
Andrea replied to Caleb's poston October 16, 2007 at 1:34pm
....I...didn't say he was trying to save...himself...
And I believe you're thinking of the Pharasees who shouted to crucify him, who were...
1) Under Roman control.
2) Not very good representations of, oh, you know, THE ENTIRE HEBREW RACE.
3) Pretty fundamentalist in their doctrines and were actually pretty conserva..tive...in their laws and dogma and....
Huh. This sounds familiar.
And I believe you're thinking of the Pharasees who shouted to crucify him, who were...
1) Under Roman control.
2) Not very good representations of, oh, you know, THE ENTIRE HEBREW RACE.
3) Pretty fundamentalist in their doctrines and were actually pretty conserva..tive...in their laws and dogma and....
Huh. This sounds familiar.

Post #20
Giancarlo replied to Caleb's poston October 16, 2007 at 4:13pm
...which represents a great literary figure.
even to this day we see such use in media.
even to this day we see such use in media.

