Christianity and Islam
Topic: Christianity and Islam
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Post #1
Joie wroteon July 20, 2009 at 8:58am
I was told in a vision, on 9/25/2007 that “people in the Church” somehow emphasis on leaders of the Church, were already beginning to publicly postulate that Islam was, in effect, quite like Christianity. They would proceed to give examples of our similarities and begin to, and He used the term, pigeonhole, Christianity with Islam. This in effect would erode the line of demarcation between Islam and Christianity and He said that He “hates this”. That has been the only time, to date, that the Lord has used the word hate in any visions.
He also, in that same vision told me that the head of the Taliban was, and I quote, "the head of a snake". He said that He would stomp that snake, killing it. He told me that the name of the man who was the head of the Taliban was Omar.
Why I am telling this publicly now is that it has been weighing on my mind for some time and this morning it seemed very important to post it. For now I will leave this as it stands. Later I'll tell more of the visions that came after this one about Islam and what the Lord wants me to speak about that heresy.
As always I am curious to hear your thoughts and if the Lord is speaking to you about this/ any discernment/ etc.
He also, in that same vision told me that the head of the Taliban was, and I quote, "the head of a snake". He said that He would stomp that snake, killing it. He told me that the name of the man who was the head of the Taliban was Omar.
Why I am telling this publicly now is that it has been weighing on my mind for some time and this morning it seemed very important to post it. For now I will leave this as it stands. Later I'll tell more of the visions that came after this one about Islam and what the Lord wants me to speak about that heresy.
As always I am curious to hear your thoughts and if the Lord is speaking to you about this/ any discernment/ etc.
Post #2
Joie wroteon August 6, 2009 at 1:16pm
AMERICA as THE LAST MAN STANDING
-by Geert Wilders.
I come to America with a mission. All is not well in the old world.
There is a tremendous danger looming, and it is very difficult to be
optimistic. We might be in the final stages of the Islamization of
Europe. This not only is a clear and present danger to the future of
Europe itself, it is a threat to America and the sheer survival of the
West. The United States as the last bastion of Western civilization,
facing an Islamic Europe.
First I will describe the situation on the ground in Europe. Then, I
will say a few things about Islam. To close I will tell you about a
meeting in Jerusalem.
The Europe you know is changing. You have probably seen the
landmarks. But in all of these cities, sometimes a few blocks
away from your tourist destination, there is another world. It is the
world of the parallel society created by Muslim mass-migration. All
throughout Europe a new reality is rising: entire Muslim neighborhoods
where very few indigenous people reside or are even seen. And if
they are, they might regret it. This goes for the police as well. It's
the world of head scarves, where women walk around in figureless
tents, with baby strollers and a group of children. Their husbands,
or slaveholders if you prefer, walk three steps ahead, with mosques
on many street corners. The shops have signs you and I cannot
read. You will be hard-pressed to find any economic activity.
These are Muslim ghettos controlled by religious fanatics. These
are Muslim neighborhoods, and they are mushrooming in every
city across Europe. These are the building-blocks for territorial
control of increasingly larger portions of Europe, street by street,
neighborhood by neighborhood, city by city.
There are now thousands of mosques throughout Europe. With
larger congregations than there are in churches. And in every
European city there are plans to build super-mosques that will
dwarf every church in the region. Clearly, the signal is: we rule.
Many European cities are already one-quarter Muslim: just take
Amsterdam, Marseille and Malmo in Sweden.
In many cities the majority of the under-18 population is Muslim.
Paris is now surrounded by a ring of Muslim neighborhoods.
Mohammed is the most popular name among boys in many cities.
In some elementary schools in Amsterdam the farm can no longer
be mentioned, because that would also mean mentioning the pig,
and that would be an insult to Muslims. Many state schools in
Belgium and Denmark only serve halal food to all pupils...
The history of the Holocaust can no longer be taught because of
Muslim sensitivity. In England sharia courts are now officially part
of the British legal system..
Many neighborhoods in France are no-go areas for women without
head scarves. Last week a man almost died after being beaten up
by Muslims in Brussels, because he was drinking during the
Ramadan. Jews are fleeing France in record numbers, on the run
for the worst wave of anti-Semitism since World War II. French is
now commonly spoken on the streets of Tel Aviv and Netanya,
Israel. I could go on forever with stories like this. Stories about
Islamization.
A total of fifty-four million Muslims now live in Europe. San Diego
University recently calculated that a staggering 25 percent of the
population in Europe will be Muslim just 12 years from now...
Now these are just numbers. And the numbers would not be
threatening if the Muslim-immigrants had a strong desire to
assimilate. But there are few signs of that. The Pew Research
Center reported that half of French Muslims see their loyalty to
Islam as greater than their loyalty to France. One-third of French
Muslims do not object to suicide attacks. The British Centre for
Social Cohesion reported that one-third of British Muslim students
are in favor of a worldwide caliphate. Muslims demand what they
call 'respect'. And this is how we give them respect. We have
Muslim official state holidays.
The Christian-Democratic attorney general is willing to accept
sharia in the Netherlands if there is a Muslim majority. We have
cabinet members with passports from Morocco and Turkey.
Muslim demands are supported by unlawful behavior, ranging from
petty crimes and random violence, for example against ambulance
workers and bus drivers, to small-scale riots. Paris has seen its
uprising in the low-income suburbs, the banlieus. I call the
perpetrators 'settlers'. Because that is what they are. They do not
come to integrate into our societies, they come to integrate our
society into their Dar-al-Islam. Therefore, they are settlers.
Much of this street violence I mentioned is directed exclusively
against non-Muslims, forcing many native people to leave their
neighborhoods, their cities, their countries. Moreover, Muslims are
now a swing vote not to be ignored.
The second thing you need to know is the importance of Mohammed
the prophet. His behavior is an example to all Muslims and cannot
be criticized. Now, if Mohammed had been a man of peace, let us
say like Ghandi and Mother Theresa wrapped in one, there would
be no problem. But Mohammed was a warlord, a mass murderer,
a pedophile, and had several marriages - at the same time. Islamic
tradition tells us how he fought in battles, how he had his enemies
murdered and even had prisoners of war executed. Mohammed
himself slaughtered the Jewish tribe of Banu Qurayza. If it is good
for Islam, it is good. If it is bad for Islam, it is bad.
Let no one fool you about Islam being a religion. Sure, it has a god,
and a here-after, and 72 virgins, but in its essence Islam is a
political ideology. It is a system that lays down detailed rules for
society and the life of every person. Islam wants to dictate every
aspect of life. Islam means 'submission'. Islam is not compatible
with freedom and democracy, because what it striv es for is sharia.
If you want to compare Islam to anything, compare it to communism
or national-socialism, these are all totalitarian ideologies.
Now you know why Winston Churchill called Islam 'the most
retrograde force in the world', and why he compared Mein
Kampf to the Quran. The public has wholeheartedly accepted the
Palestinian narrative, and sees Israel as the aggressor. I have
lived in this country and visited it dozens of times. I support Israel.
First, because it is the Jewish homeland after two thousand years
of exile up to and including Auschwitz, second because it is a
democracy, and third because Israel is our first line of defense.
This tiny country is situated on the fault line of jihad, frustrating
Islam's territorial advance. Israel is facing the front lines of jihad,
like Kashmir, Kosovo, the Philippines, Southern Thailand, Darfur
in Sudan, Lebanon, and Aceh in Indonesia. Israel is simply in the
way. The same way West-Berlin was during the Cold War.
The war against Israel is not a war against Israel. It is a war
against the West. It is jihad. Israel is simply receiving the blows
that are meant for all of us. If there would have been no Israel,
Islamic imperialism would have found other venues to release its
energy and its desire for conquest. Thanks to Israeli parents who
send their children to the army and lay awake at night, parents in
Europe and America can sleep well and dream, unaware of the
dangers looming.
Many in Europe argue in favor of abandoning Israel in order to
address the grievances of our Muslim minorities. But if Israel
were, God forbid, to go down, it would not bring any solace to the
West. It would not mean our Muslim minorities would all of a
sudden change their behavior, and accept our values. On the
contrary, the end of Israel would give enormous encouragement to
the forces of Islam. They would, and rightly so, see the demise of
Israel as proof that the West is weak, and doomed. The end of
Israel would not mean the end of our problems with Islam, but only
the beginning. It would mean the start of the final battle for world
domination. If they can get Israel, they can get everything.
So-called journalists volunteer to label any and all critics of
Islamization as a 'right-wing extremists' or 'racists'. In my country,
the Netherlands, 60 percent of the population now sees the mass
immigration of Muslims as the number one policy mistake since
World War II. And another 60 percent sees Islam as the biggest
threat. Yet there is a danger greater than terrorist attacks, the
scenario of America as the last man standing. The lights may go
out in Europe faster than you can imagine.
An Islamic Europe means a Europe without freedom and democracy,
an economic wasteland, an intellectual nightmare, and a loss of
military might for America - as its allies will turn into enemies,
enemies with atomic bombs....
-by Geert Wilders.
I come to America with a mission. All is not well in the old world.
There is a tremendous danger looming, and it is very difficult to be
optimistic. We might be in the final stages of the Islamization of
Europe. This not only is a clear and present danger to the future of
Europe itself, it is a threat to America and the sheer survival of the
West. The United States as the last bastion of Western civilization,
facing an Islamic Europe.
First I will describe the situation on the ground in Europe. Then, I
will say a few things about Islam. To close I will tell you about a
meeting in Jerusalem.
The Europe you know is changing. You have probably seen the
landmarks. But in all of these cities, sometimes a few blocks
away from your tourist destination, there is another world. It is the
world of the parallel society created by Muslim mass-migration. All
throughout Europe a new reality is rising: entire Muslim neighborhoods
where very few indigenous people reside or are even seen. And if
they are, they might regret it. This goes for the police as well. It's
the world of head scarves, where women walk around in figureless
tents, with baby strollers and a group of children. Their husbands,
or slaveholders if you prefer, walk three steps ahead, with mosques
on many street corners. The shops have signs you and I cannot
read. You will be hard-pressed to find any economic activity.
These are Muslim ghettos controlled by religious fanatics. These
are Muslim neighborhoods, and they are mushrooming in every
city across Europe. These are the building-blocks for territorial
control of increasingly larger portions of Europe, street by street,
neighborhood by neighborhood, city by city.
There are now thousands of mosques throughout Europe. With
larger congregations than there are in churches. And in every
European city there are plans to build super-mosques that will
dwarf every church in the region. Clearly, the signal is: we rule.
Many European cities are already one-quarter Muslim: just take
Amsterdam, Marseille and Malmo in Sweden.
In many cities the majority of the under-18 population is Muslim.
Paris is now surrounded by a ring of Muslim neighborhoods.
Mohammed is the most popular name among boys in many cities.
In some elementary schools in Amsterdam the farm can no longer
be mentioned, because that would also mean mentioning the pig,
and that would be an insult to Muslims. Many state schools in
Belgium and Denmark only serve halal food to all pupils...
The history of the Holocaust can no longer be taught because of
Muslim sensitivity. In England sharia courts are now officially part
of the British legal system..
Many neighborhoods in France are no-go areas for women without
head scarves. Last week a man almost died after being beaten up
by Muslims in Brussels, because he was drinking during the
Ramadan. Jews are fleeing France in record numbers, on the run
for the worst wave of anti-Semitism since World War II. French is
now commonly spoken on the streets of Tel Aviv and Netanya,
Israel. I could go on forever with stories like this. Stories about
Islamization.
A total of fifty-four million Muslims now live in Europe. San Diego
University recently calculated that a staggering 25 percent of the
population in Europe will be Muslim just 12 years from now...
Now these are just numbers. And the numbers would not be
threatening if the Muslim-immigrants had a strong desire to
assimilate. But there are few signs of that. The Pew Research
Center reported that half of French Muslims see their loyalty to
Islam as greater than their loyalty to France. One-third of French
Muslims do not object to suicide attacks. The British Centre for
Social Cohesion reported that one-third of British Muslim students
are in favor of a worldwide caliphate. Muslims demand what they
call 'respect'. And this is how we give them respect. We have
Muslim official state holidays.
The Christian-Democratic attorney general is willing to accept
sharia in the Netherlands if there is a Muslim majority. We have
cabinet members with passports from Morocco and Turkey.
Muslim demands are supported by unlawful behavior, ranging from
petty crimes and random violence, for example against ambulance
workers and bus drivers, to small-scale riots. Paris has seen its
uprising in the low-income suburbs, the banlieus. I call the
perpetrators 'settlers'. Because that is what they are. They do not
come to integrate into our societies, they come to integrate our
society into their Dar-al-Islam. Therefore, they are settlers.
Much of this street violence I mentioned is directed exclusively
against non-Muslims, forcing many native people to leave their
neighborhoods, their cities, their countries. Moreover, Muslims are
now a swing vote not to be ignored.
The second thing you need to know is the importance of Mohammed
the prophet. His behavior is an example to all Muslims and cannot
be criticized. Now, if Mohammed had been a man of peace, let us
say like Ghandi and Mother Theresa wrapped in one, there would
be no problem. But Mohammed was a warlord, a mass murderer,
a pedophile, and had several marriages - at the same time. Islamic
tradition tells us how he fought in battles, how he had his enemies
murdered and even had prisoners of war executed. Mohammed
himself slaughtered the Jewish tribe of Banu Qurayza. If it is good
for Islam, it is good. If it is bad for Islam, it is bad.
Let no one fool you about Islam being a religion. Sure, it has a god,
and a here-after, and 72 virgins, but in its essence Islam is a
political ideology. It is a system that lays down detailed rules for
society and the life of every person. Islam wants to dictate every
aspect of life. Islam means 'submission'. Islam is not compatible
with freedom and democracy, because what it striv es for is sharia.
If you want to compare Islam to anything, compare it to communism
or national-socialism, these are all totalitarian ideologies.
Now you know why Winston Churchill called Islam 'the most
retrograde force in the world', and why he compared Mein
Kampf to the Quran. The public has wholeheartedly accepted the
Palestinian narrative, and sees Israel as the aggressor. I have
lived in this country and visited it dozens of times. I support Israel.
First, because it is the Jewish homeland after two thousand years
of exile up to and including Auschwitz, second because it is a
democracy, and third because Israel is our first line of defense.
This tiny country is situated on the fault line of jihad, frustrating
Islam's territorial advance. Israel is facing the front lines of jihad,
like Kashmir, Kosovo, the Philippines, Southern Thailand, Darfur
in Sudan, Lebanon, and Aceh in Indonesia. Israel is simply in the
way. The same way West-Berlin was during the Cold War.
The war against Israel is not a war against Israel. It is a war
against the West. It is jihad. Israel is simply receiving the blows
that are meant for all of us. If there would have been no Israel,
Islamic imperialism would have found other venues to release its
energy and its desire for conquest. Thanks to Israeli parents who
send their children to the army and lay awake at night, parents in
Europe and America can sleep well and dream, unaware of the
dangers looming.
Many in Europe argue in favor of abandoning Israel in order to
address the grievances of our Muslim minorities. But if Israel
were, God forbid, to go down, it would not bring any solace to the
West. It would not mean our Muslim minorities would all of a
sudden change their behavior, and accept our values. On the
contrary, the end of Israel would give enormous encouragement to
the forces of Islam. They would, and rightly so, see the demise of
Israel as proof that the West is weak, and doomed. The end of
Israel would not mean the end of our problems with Islam, but only
the beginning. It would mean the start of the final battle for world
domination. If they can get Israel, they can get everything.
So-called journalists volunteer to label any and all critics of
Islamization as a 'right-wing extremists' or 'racists'. In my country,
the Netherlands, 60 percent of the population now sees the mass
immigration of Muslims as the number one policy mistake since
World War II. And another 60 percent sees Islam as the biggest
threat. Yet there is a danger greater than terrorist attacks, the
scenario of America as the last man standing. The lights may go
out in Europe faster than you can imagine.
An Islamic Europe means a Europe without freedom and democracy,
an economic wasteland, an intellectual nightmare, and a loss of
military might for America - as its allies will turn into enemies,
enemies with atomic bombs....
Post #3
Joie wroteon August 11, 2009 at 7:15pm
Article today on Fox:
Muslim Teen Who Converted to Christianity Says Family Threatened to Kill Her
Tuesday, August 11, 2009
An Ohio teenager says she ran away from home to Florida because her family threatened to kill her for converting from Islam to Christianity, local media reported.
Rifqa Bary, 17, testified Monday at a custody hearing in Orlando that she’d recently changed religions and is worried her relatives will do something drastic, according to WFTV in Orlando and Central Florida News 13.
“They have to kill me because I’m a Christian. It’s an honor (issue),” the girl told WFTV.
Such threats are common, even in the United States, her attorney, Rosa Gonzalez, told News 13.
“She says her life is in danger and she could be killed in an honor killing,” Gonzalez said after the hearing — which was held because the teenager’s parents are trying to regain custody of her.
Rifqa, a non-citizen whose parents are from Sri Lanka, has for several weeks been staying with an Orlando couple who are pastors of a new Christian church there. She met them on a Facebook prayer group.
Her father denied his daughter’s allegations to NBC 4 in Orlando, saying he never threatened to kill his daughter because she rejected Islam.
He was in Florida for a court hearing, but was reportedly traveling back to Ohio Tuesday.
The Florida Department of Children and Families currently has custody of her, but ultimately, Ohio authorities will decide where the teen should live.
Muslim Teen Who Converted to Christianity Says Family Threatened to Kill Her
Tuesday, August 11, 2009
An Ohio teenager says she ran away from home to Florida because her family threatened to kill her for converting from Islam to Christianity, local media reported.
Rifqa Bary, 17, testified Monday at a custody hearing in Orlando that she’d recently changed religions and is worried her relatives will do something drastic, according to WFTV in Orlando and Central Florida News 13.
“They have to kill me because I’m a Christian. It’s an honor (issue),” the girl told WFTV.
Such threats are common, even in the United States, her attorney, Rosa Gonzalez, told News 13.
“She says her life is in danger and she could be killed in an honor killing,” Gonzalez said after the hearing — which was held because the teenager’s parents are trying to regain custody of her.
Rifqa, a non-citizen whose parents are from Sri Lanka, has for several weeks been staying with an Orlando couple who are pastors of a new Christian church there. She met them on a Facebook prayer group.
Her father denied his daughter’s allegations to NBC 4 in Orlando, saying he never threatened to kill his daughter because she rejected Islam.
He was in Florida for a court hearing, but was reportedly traveling back to Ohio Tuesday.
The Florida Department of Children and Families currently has custody of her, but ultimately, Ohio authorities will decide where the teen should live.