Okay, Alright going live. afternoon everybody. This is State Representative Adam House District 59. I'm here with our our the thirteenth Judicial Circuit. Andrew Warren Thanks for having us on or thanks excuse me for being on. We're gonna be talking talking about Amendment four and how gonna be implemented in the impact of the amendment for on what's that The voting procedures are going on here in Florida in 2020 before we get started, I do wanna take a quick moment. It's been four years ago today that are 49 lives taken in in just an act of hate at the Pulse nightclub so quickly, I hope everyone will join us in a quick moment of silence to remember them. Thank you for that and then four years since the puls we have to to honor them with action. also joining us today. mister Bowles from the Florida Rights Restoration Coalition welcome and we're gonna get this started right off the bat. Thank you so much of course. first question question is for you sir. can you give a overview of the history of Amendment, four and exactly what it was what inspired the effort to get. Ballot and the ballot initiative process. Absolutely and apologize for being late, we're actually in Gainesville. We just dropped off a thousand masks to the people who are in the in there as well as the officers and so I apologize for for being late. yeah, let me answer that question. at the end the end of Amendment four was birthed out the experiences of people dealing with the A broken system here Florida. we we have clemency system that doesn't work for people as well as it should and we had a lifetime. On voting for over one point, five million people in the state of Florida and we're one four States at the time that was dealing with situation and the truth is we had heard a lot of people talking about making change. We've heard a lot of people promising that they would do something and and they're some frustration and and some pain by people closest to that problem and a petition drive began Desmond need who's our executive director and hopefully this that ultimately resulted in over a million. Who about their ones believe in second chances, we believe that people have are more than worst thing they've ever done and contributed to the community and to have a say in community that little to just get on the ballot and passing in 2018, and it was one of the. Biggest expansions of democracy we've seen in this country. Great Thank you. you're breaking up a little bit with your signals so we'll I think we we got the gist what you're we're we're struggling a little bit but we'll keep pressing on. Can you hear me? Let's get a little better? Okay. This question actually and I will get. Okay, this one 's for the both of you can you give a quick overview of the was passed by the Florida Florida House and Senate last year to restrict the implementation of amendment for why was it so harmful to Amendment force We start with our state attorney good afternoon representative. Thanks Thanks so much for me Neil good to see you as well. I don't know if I'm gonna have the cool sound effects that you just did, but I'll try to answer the question. The summary of the bill, this is Senate Bill 7066, as it's called and what it did was it trying to interpret amendment for and there were some things that Amendment for that needed clarification. In terms of you know know what is what excl offenses and the bill that, But the most important thing that piece of did was it created a requirement that all the fines and fees be paid off. before someone could be eligible to vote and there's been a legitimate argument about whether that intended under the statue under the amendment or not and ultimately doesn't matter because what the court what we had happen in recently is is that they accurately throughout that law unconstitutional because it created a pay to vote system that amounted to wealth based discrimination, and I'm sure we'll have a chance to get into the details of the bill and what it means in the courts. But the most important thing thing remember about that piece of is you know, court said Amendment intended to expand voting, which is a good thing in our democracy. We want more people to have the right to vote, not not only restoring the right to vote, reduce the people re-offending, which means it's a public issue. It also just means more more people in our democracy and one of the most critical ways they by voting. So this was something that strengthen our our democracy and made our community safer and a federal court. That the Legislature tried limit this the of people who are eligible under amendment for they did something that was against the will voters and they did some they didn't in a way in a way that was found unconstitutional. So we're happy to have seen that the court through through that out now more people can actually participate in amendment process as voters intended when they passed it overwhelmingly back in 2018. Kneel to add. mean, I appreciate the where miss miss Warren's from and I from our perspective. What always focus on is really the real people right. So when you start talking about expanding democracy, start talking people having a mind set in they're full participants full citizenss in their community and we see is that when people feel like they're full participants in the community that they the community better. I'm somebody with the past felony conviction. I know the challenges that are faced when you have that felony label whether it comes to get a job whether it comes to getting housing when it comes. Opportunity and what we're talking about is creating a more vibrant democracy but also helping to Leaders in community for the pain of their past experiences with criminal Justice system and create a a healthier community for everybody and that's okay. And now be very honest here. here. A lot of the state are confused right now Can returning citizens vote. I know it's been in the courts. it's been appealed several times back and forth. is a restoration of rights automatic an individual is is no longer incarcerated and really can people vote. depends I'm no, there there is a lot of confusion out there, so we'll try to make it as clear possible and it and it's somewhat of a confusing situation when you have different groups of people, but the bottom line is that if you you are a resident Florida, if you're 18, if you don't meet any of the disqualifying criteria like conviction for a murder or a, you know, a felony sexual offense. and but you are a convicted felon if you are. Of prison out of jail done with probation done with all those restrictions on your freedom, then you're eligible to vote for the most part. If you owe owe it depends on the type of money that you owe basically if you only owe the court costs, you're eligible to vote whether you're eligible to register because the court found that the court costs are taxed and you can't have a voting tax if you owe money that is. Criminal restitution, It's not like the cost of the court but actually know you come into this this crime or in a sentence you to days in jail and a $100 fine. It's a punishment rather than a tax or tax or restitution money owed victims. If you owe that money, you have to pay it unless you are financially unable to pay and then your financially unable to pay. then you're eligible to register to vote and the court found that certain. Of people are presumed unable to pay if you you have a defender, if those fines and restitution we converted to civil liens now, we're getting pretty complicated, but the bottom line is if the thing keeping keeping you voting is and you aren't able to pay it off. then you're eligible to vote and there's a process put in place now where you can ask the state for for how money you owe and the burdens on the state. But the reality is there's some good information out there can share that simplifies it down to a couple. you know, yes or no questions to tell people whether or not. Eligible to go register to vote, actually a follow based on that from one of the comments from Sandy, I think you mostly answered it. but if there's anything specific, any criteria criteria are considering specifically not just if you have a public in whether someone has the ability to pay those moneys. So it's a great question and I wish my answer were Here's process that the state Florida check on but the state of Florida didn't create a process and even after the federal judge last October said you guys are having session coming up. Why don't you put in place a process? they still don't do it so the problem was now now judge had to create a a process and judge created categories of people identified categories of people for whom they're presumed to be unable to pay the fines and restitution. Out and that's if you had public defender in your most recent conviction, if those moneys converted to liens and there's also a process where you can ask the state. how much you owe. So it's not so much a judge makes determination. It's really if you fit this category or if if affirmatively represent that you just can't pay owe, then you're eligible to vote now in Hillsborough, we did create a process to have judicial oversight because we didn't want people to have to rely rely on their judgment and we can get into that a little bit later, but that's sort of the. We're we're hoping that what we becomes replicated throughout the state and that's a process where a a says, Okay. Warren. I look at this. You're unable to pay off what you owe so you're eligible to go vote. Okay, okay and I know at Neil we've been have been dropping in and out so I have a question for our our state attorney and we can get you sorted for our next one for you. Okay. I'm gonna read this off cuz there's some quotes from the most recent court ruling Okay. We know that recently United States District Judge Robert Hinkle ruled in favor favor returning citizens and the people of the state who voted for Amendment four, which so a couple highlights from this ruling for people who are here we are. some highlights ruling so the the state makes of the argument asserting that Senate Bill seven zero six merely implements Amendment four, and that's Senate Bill zero four expands and contracts the electorate, but that is not so Senate Senate Bill. Seven six includes many provisions that go beyond amendment itself, including some that that limit for substantial respects. Amendment Four had already expanded the electorate by Bill Seven zero six expansion that was on page 81 of the ruling. There's another quote. The state makes the rather remarkable assertion that if it cannot prevent people who who are unable pay legal financial obligations from voting, then all the amendment for as well felons who have served all of their time, our supervision and a paid to all amounts they vote. This is a attack on the will of the Florida voters who adopted amendment for that from page one - O - seven of the ruling. So So here's the question. Can you talk what this means for amendment for his ability rein franchise voters during this year's election season? Is it gonna continue to be battled? Is that that is that a question for me? I actually that was mister Warren but feel free to to dive in okay and do apologize. Our team is telling us we have major and really deeply sorry for that. it's from our perspective again. not legislators. We're not litigators you know, but we're focused people in the community. been operating under the law. you know when I got signed, we're operating under the judge's ruling and I can tell you that there's person with a better job right now than me I get text messages almost every day from somebody who is saying, Hey, I just registered to vote. and so we're excited be operating under the judge's ruling and I know that it's having a real impact in our communities all across the state as people are asking at this amazing thing and so the idea that we having conversations about limiting democracy is a challenging conversation we have. I agree with the with the Neal and take a step back. I mean Florida voted to Amendment four, and it took us out of the of the clemency and Florida was was one of only four States in the whole country that disenfranchised all felons know murderers all the way way down to people with offenses, one of only four States country and our clemency process, which is extremely antiquated. Traces its roots back reconstruction Jim Crow, You suppressing the black vote, and that's not my opinion. That's the opinion of of eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals. That's the the Brennan Center for Justice has out what the history of Florida's clemency process is so now the voters 65 percent. I mean it's hard to get 65 percent of voters to agree color of the sky these days, but 65 percent agreed that Florida. Change the way it's taking away the right to vote vote from people, so they pass four. And now you have the the in claiming that that it's do a faithful The judge called as bogus, he said that the House sponsored the that this was a faithful implementation. In fact, he pointed out in opinion that the sponsor quote emphatically, said that it was a faithful implementation and then the judge wrote this. True for a a federal judge to call the state a breathtaking attack on the will of Florida voters is something that should give everyone pause, especially at a time when we're about how our democracy works, how people people disenfranchised from it, the fact that the the Florida Legislature Florida governor continues to appeal decision and defend wealth based discrimination is extremely disappointing. Okay. alright. both here's my next question is for neils specifically what is the rights restoration Coalition doing to help as many returning citizens as possible and get registered to vote an educated on how to vote vote especially now considering the public health threat of Cogan that we're currently under well great great you very much just a little bit about the Florida rights restoration Coalition like we are an Organization that is led by and made up of people. I spell any convictions in our families, so our leadership folks like others we have a firsthand experience with criminal Justice system and we have 20 plus chapters across the state. who make up heartbeat of our efforts and so communicating directly with with people who have felony convictions through our chapters. we did a lot of kind of transition to to communicating, but we are now back safely doing things in the right healthy way of communicating with communities and helping people get registered to vote. We're helping to get people educated. I'm so. attorney walking through kind of those Yes, no that that's the kind the kind of conversation that we're people who understand that I have a a public in my last felony case, you know if that and they know that they can take a step that they you know did all financial obligations turn into a into a civil. You know is also a road map to go go get registered to vote. we're basically meeting one -on- one and they community style relationships style organizing because we're we look at people Wanna do live with that? We wanna build together with that. We wanna build stronger communities, not simply about registering somebody to vote. It's about helping to change your life and helping to change the community in the process. and so we've got a little bit of everything from working through social media and the phones to connect with people to work to kind of that has been developed over the 67 years. that actually got this on the ballot help get it passed and now helping to implement it and ultimately helping to engage our communities in. We can create safer healthier communities everybody involved and and honestly, if anybody's out there that has any any about whether the registration status they can go to Florida RC dot Org. That's our website, R C Org. They wanna register they can just text register to eight to eight 26238 2623 and then if there are there are questions do have individual cases right. so what we've seen is when you're engaged somebody one on one You start walking through you know a person who is an. They might couple of different you cases different different counties or what you We also have an eight eight hundred 75 zero eight 75 zero. If anybody wants to engage or we're grateful for anywhere and everywhere we go to to have that conversation with people so thank you for bringing that up right. we actually just got another quick question. Our next question a pretty long So I'm gonna ask this quick somebody ask if there's still completing probation, but everything else is paid off. are they allowed to vote? The Amendment four is clear on that that they have be done with probation. Okay if it if it's felony probation. That's a good caveat. alright, this next question is another fairly long one. This This is for Neil Marsha Ellison, the NAACP Civic Engagement chair for the Florida State Conference recently remarked that tells us that a hundred and 15 years ago was born out of racism. This administration apparently intends to system remain. I can see how that would work for him, but quite frankly, it doesn't work for us in the black community. once you paid your debt. You deserve and should be restored the first class citizenship unquote. The significance and rest that the nation's been following the brutal murders of Floyd and Brown Taylor, and and I'm on a and the growing power of the Black Lives Matter movement. How can we support and and uplift the intersectionality between former and and and Rachel Justice and equity? Well? That's a great question. and I think that's a deep question like that gets to the heart of kind of some of the conversations that are going on right now in the streets and then you know legislative poll. as we speak it goes back to the very simple history a hundred and 50 years ago in the state of Florida of the policy was to try and stop black people from voting we've seen is that when you're engaged in the process of dehumanizing and implementing policies they're built around that that that idea of dehumanizing and supremacy of one person over another that ultimately that spreads and we saw that happen a hundred and 50 year period in which by the time we got rid of this relic of Jim last in November of 2018, it was a policy that didn't impacted all the. In Florida and so I'll never forget, there's a moment 2017 when I was talking to Desmond who is who is and appears in our our country and I was I was coming at him at the shows us that there's a for myself. I remember talking about this kind of political thing that was going on like hey, we're gonna try and get a ballot initiative and we can talk about the right and the left and all this stuff and then people look right at me and I'll never forget, he said. You're looking at it wrong. Instead, the truth of matter is that people wanna dig deeper into what's going here. They see us as humans win if they see us as something else we lose and I think that's at heartbeat of this whole conversation that's going on right now and it's bigger than this one moment. It's bigger than one Franklin's Biggers A- one elections bigger than one political party. It's about us as human beings and how we connect connect with each other along the lines of humanity and and so I really appreciate that question and the idea that we still have policies in place and with somebody who's Being treated differently than me as a is immoral and it's an atrocity and it's urgent and this this whole kind of thing coming together like you said. It's a conversation and a movement that just needs to continue to move forward and we can continue the great. Barriers that see everywhere that we look. you. Alright. Our next question is for state Attorney Warren. What is your office been doing in light of the the issue of of the amendment for legislation even before all of the it's been involved involved in to Reis returning citizenss the voting and in our Kern election. So from the the beginning were early supporters of Amendment four because as mentioned earlier, it's a public safety issue, helping people transition back into our communities makes them less. once saw that Amendment forehead passed and we saw that the Legislature wasn't gonna do anything to help implement it. started finding a solution locally and what we did is set up a process to go through the courts to have people come in to court to have the right right to restored now. That process changed a little bit because of the litigation that we've alluding to the federal judge, but once the federal judge last October clear where he was leaning on this that he was not. Allow wealth based discrimination that he was not going to deny the right right to vote based on what could afford to pay, which, of course is would be a very unamerican thing to do we were able set up a process where we bring people into court. We have a their financials to make sure that they are actually unable to to pay assuming that they've made all the other requirements they deemed to be eligible to vote. Now. it's important to note that we're not with regards to the the money that they owe. I mean those. Mandatory fees imposed on them by the state, whether courts or the fines fines or restitution to victims, I mean they still owe that money, but just like whether you income tax or you owe rent or you know you owe on your credit card bill that financial debt cannot should not be a part of part of so our process in place is pretty simple. We people who raise raise their hand and say I wanna have my rights restored. We are working with Neil and his colleagues at the FRC. So thank you very much Neil for your help in putting this. US together and we have people come in a looks over their we're able to make sure that they've completed all the other terms their of their And then the judge the determination that way no, you know well. Maybe person had a public defender five years ago, but now they they have the pay it off. They don't know very much. so so why don't they pay up? We don't wanna get those disputes. We're having a judge look over and make a determination. Yeah. this person is unable to pay what they owe. So now they're eligible for so we're really excited. Get that process up up and running we had our very first court docket. We about 10 go through it. We had another doctor this week. you know are gonna get tens of thousands of people through that process? No, but we're hoping to be able to expand on it. We're hoping to be able to create the blueprint for what other jurisdictions do around the state we're hoping eventually that the state does what it's supposed to, which which is to create a process to implement Amendment for in a faithful. Constitutional way and that's will be the way that we actually do what Floridians want us to do in the first place when they pass it. And this is a bit of a up, so what should a do if they were to have trouble at the polls when trying to to vote turned away because of their status as a former felon, You know You know what rights do they have if a situation like this were to happen when they're trying to vote this year. What voters need to do right now is check the registration they need to go. vote before the deadline is don't wanna wait until Election Day to find out Oops. There's There's know some hiccup in your registration. so it's easy to go. Check. It's easy to go register to vote and if the state says, don't think this guy's eligible to vote, then there's a process that can that can follow and it, but what's important to actually is the federal judge told the state they cannot prevent people from. Who fall into these categories, the judge basically said here is my ruling. here process. I'm setting up and you state of of Florida not allowed to disrupt that otherwise people are gonna be held in contempt of court and they're they're gonna be some issues so I don't think the state is gonna simply violate the judge said. They're appealing the case, but the best advice right now is go. register register to vote. you think you owe money, you can can take advantage of called an advisory opinion and ask the state to tell you how much you owe and if they don't provide. Opinion within 20 - one you can go register to vote so just go to your supervisor of elections office fill out the registration form that will be the easiest way to determine whether you are actually able Okay, This next question is for the both of you you so feel free chime in. Is it safe for citizens of many of whom are likely to be going voting for the first time in a long time, or maybe even the first first ever to vote by mail at at a to protect themselves from potential exposure to covid-. He wants to take it. Neil wanna jump on that first. conversations that we Sorry about this guys. I believe that we know that's such a personal decision and that we think that's just like else who's gonna have to filter through you know whether that's the right call for them or you know, we know that there's a whole on the other side of many of us. I like to it's not a better for democracy than lost their rights to vote and got it back. so some of us it's a celebration and as long as as it's safe for health perspective, we're planning on going to the polls and and celebrating this thing called democracy and our ability to participate in it. so I can definitely see both sides to that coin, but I think that's really personal decision. And in Florida has a great system for voting by mail our supervisor of elections here in Hillsborough County, Craig Larr does a great job of making it easy for people which is a good a good you know There're questions of voter by mail. You there's really no evidence to back up a lot of voter fraud by mail unless apparently you work at at Pennsylvania Avenue. But outside of the people who there, they're we we really haven't seen any allegations of fraud by mail and so it's a really. Way to vote If to nell's point if you wanna make the personal choice, not down in person to your local polling precinct. what advice would you give to actually wait before we get that. You did mention the clemency process before so we can we can dive into that a little bit. Can you talk a little bit more about the clemency process? Has there been been a notable in the rate of former felons being clemency you know now based on the former gubernatorial administration and Cabinet what can we do to advocate for this process? Our clemency process Florida is is joke, a really bad joke and a a that takes away away people's rights to participate in our democracy. it's a very stringent process. It's I believe five years is the is the wait time for nonviolent offenders. The average wait time is something like 14 years to get clemency under Governor Chris approximately 35 to 40000 people a year were granted clemency. I'll say that number again. Five to 40000 people year during the government under under eight Governor Scott, the numbers were down to about I think it was about 2500 people total, so it was 350 people year 100. that is one percent of what happened under Governor Chris and just when we thought we couldn't get any slower the process under Governor Desus, the last numbers I saw was something like 20. Have been 24 in the what's two years now a year and a half that he's been in office. so this is why I'm four was needed. This is why the the voters it the clemency process in in Florida's broken and elected officials in Tallahassee don't seem to care about fixing it. Somebody has just asked the question. the deadlines to register to vote? I have them right here for our August eighteenth primary. The deadline is July twentieth and for the general election on November third that deadline to register is October fifth. so if you do not register by July twentieth, not be able to you know and you haven't already been preregistered before you won't be able to vote in the primary in the primary, but you can still register all the way up to October fifth to be able to vote in the general. This November okay, our next question is again for for both of you. what advice would give to a returning citizen? that that's apprehensive to vote for time since having the rights restored not normally, But you know with Kobi but better that are apprehensive any advice. Go ahead Neil I'm an art, but there's just something wrong with our system but if I could say one thing about the clemency process, Oh, please do okay. That sounds like like you So that's great. the my clemency is with individuals who have been going up to Tallahassee to try and move on with their lives like a passage of Amendment. Four gave us a new opportunity to embrace second. In the state to allow there are people are people who are literally their time their effort their heart. They wanna go serve on a jury. they wanna able to get a job. These are people who have real potential and sit on sideline and all we're looking for is bold action by the governor and the board to allow us to take the next step after the best or as it relates to aleen and we think this is a moment to do it. I'm not not any advice from you to give returning citizens if that may be apprehensive to go vote for the first time. If you want me to go go there too. is this is great like we're we're encouraging people to see you know what it means to participate in the the Park there's somebody who has some kind of apprehension because they because they haven't it before. but usually what that includes is a conversation about you know life experiences. You know the the idea that the who arrested you you the idea that the sent you the person who charged to the person all these all these folks are. Officials you know, and that this gives you an opportunity to take that pain that you've been through and turn it into purpose and your I think we have been victim of the bad signal again ah actually make my community better and Okay, I think we might have missed a little bit connection and state like to chime in. Yeah sure exactly Neil Sir-I I think to people who are afraid of voting for you know health reasons, we talked about that for people who may be apprehensive about voting because they're not whether they're eligible to vote and may get trouble. The state attorneys across Florida clear. I mean to commit a commit a crime you have to willfully fraudulently registered to vote so who's just not sure confused by the process doesn't need to worry about being. Because they weren't sure whether they were eligible and for people who just have never really participated in the democracy, they should go learn about the issues. a lot of people tried to make amendment for out to be a right, Blue Red Democratic or Republican issue, but it wasn't at all when you saw from the number of people who voted for it. Republicans independents changing this antiquated law in a way to bring our state into the 20 first century to allow more people to. Democracy so people should learn the issues learn about the candidates and as I was saying, you know, figure what's important to you and and figure out the best way that can express that really important voice that you have in our Democratic process by voting. I know we've already briefly talked about 46 other States had done this before we but we seem to be having a lot of struggles trying to implement figured out is that any I know we didn't didn't talk this before, but any thoughts on on what other done that what how we could model our system on to make this process a little bit more transparent a little bit easier. It's for and I think Florida has a really good system for for voting and again we allow to vote by mail. just by choice. you it's a you don't have to be absent to vote by mail. So we've simplified it. I think in the future we're gonna see hopefully making it it accessible to people. whether you're voting you know electronically or we have you know a day off work when people vote like some of other countries do I don't know what this. Solution is and I think it's a good to look at how other States have been able to improve participation in democracy, but that should be the goal we should want as many people as possible participating and they choose not to they choose not not but hopefully we're getting backed back up to higher levels of participation like we've had historically in this country. country. And if I could just add to that, I think that's exactly exactly right that more who vote the more vibrant of the democracy. we have the more voices that. The better the conversation, we can have around public policy and and I just can create a win-win It's kinda like what the last question was about. people are apprehensive, but we're seeing the community and we've seen it in municipal elections is that when people who lost the ability to vote go vote, they usually bring their their family with or they have a have a positive impact those around them. So you're seeing this actual impact in which somebody say a father who for the last 20 years has been bad-mouth in politics. Truthfully he was feeling a little little bit insecure the conversation because he had a felony conviction now all of a those people around him who is doing doing life he's like hey, let's and that's and we're seeing an impact in terms not turning. Exciting the people around them to get embracing this idea the more people in a real. When he was really on a roll before the hopefully he'll come back but we can carry on and question from somebody watching from Anna. What can citizens do to help register formally incarcerated people to vote or protect their rights at polling places? It's a great and helping people in the Democratic is a act of service in the Civic so people can help the registration process by volunteering with organizations like the FRC and League of of women, voters and groups that try to increase Ais in our state and it's something simple as working as a poll worker to make sure that everything is the way it's supposed to be when people show up to polls to vote. Exercise that First Amendment right. well, that's all the questions that we have. think everything that came through in the comments any any last comments you'd like to put to put out before we wrap up representative. I just wanna for having me on and having Neil on this is such an important topic. I know I go back to what I said before when 65 percent of Floridians voted on something, it's a really strong signal that change was demanded in our state and for good reason. We're doing everything we can here here in Hillsborough It's to fulfill the promise of for and I think it's it's fantastic that you had us on here to talk about these issues help educate people about what the current state of laws and hopefully we more more people taking advantage of the opportunity to participate in our democracy. That's what makes our community our state our country. so great, you know absolutely and thank you so to our guests today Neil Volz from he's the deputy director. The Rights restoration that we did have signal technical issues and thank you also to state attorney for the thirteenth Judicial Circuit. Mister Andrew Warren thank you again for joining us and for you know giving us your your this. you're right. This is one of the top. you know, one of the most important things that we're we're gonna be talking about getting people to participate in our democracy. It is critical and voices heard is absolutely critical. Remember again the deadline to register to vote to vote in the primary is July twentieth for the primary on August eighteenth and the To the general election on October fifth for election on November, third go and go sure you're registered to vote. vote. Let's Hillsborough dot Org Org right County and thank again for joining us Adam Hunter State representative here from House District 59, and please join us again next Friday when we we announced that our next town Hall is gonna be thank you so much again everybody and we'll talk to you next week.