Thank you, Mister chairman and colleagues. Thank you. HB 303 is about protecting children, HB 303 would make it illegal for doctors May I ask just to say we have trouble with that microphone last week when someone check and make sure we got that on and it's working. We're okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Alright. Thank you mister Germany. No problem. Thank you colleagues. HB 303 is about protecting children, HB 303 would make it illegal for doctors to prescribe purity. Medications or officer hormones to minors this bill would also ban hysterectomy sector orchestration surgeries from being performed on minors. I'm a shock when I found out doctors Alabama. We're prescribing these types of drugs to children. Something you hear about in other States, but not here in Alabama. I recognize that there are children who are struggling with gender dysphoria that causes them to be confused about their gender identity. We should help those children with therapeutic treatment from qualified mental health professionals, not allowing these children's bodies to be permanently mutilated gendered is for you is a psychological problem. It's listed in the DSM five published. American Psychiatric Association Many of the purity blocking medications and sit opposite sex hormones being prescribed to Alabama. children have irreversible consequences, including sterilization, liver disease and increased risk for cancer. The FDA has never approved the use of puberty blocking medications for the treatment of gender dysphoria. These patients are children who have not reached physical or mental material. It is irresponsible to permanently mutilate them at their request or to request. Their parents, we don't allow minors to enter into contracts alcohol or get credit cards because they aren't capable of making those decisions and we should not allow them to do this either. The long-term effects and safety of the administration of puberty, blocking medications and cross sex hormones to gender incongruence children have not been thoroughly stated absent rigorous studies showing their long-term safety and positive benefits. They're continued administration to children constitutes a dangerous and uncontrolled human medical experimentation that may result in grave and irreversible consequences to their physical and mental health under HB 303, no person person selling gauges. Council, or referred to the for the purpose of affirming a manage perception to his or her gender, which is inconsistent with the minors biological sex and includes boxing medication. I'm sorry, testosterone or other energy to females estrogens to mails. Okay. Restoration vasectomy hysterectomy and other surgeries to otherwise healthy body part. Okay. HB 303 does allow for exceptions exceptions are provided for procedures to treat minor born minors form with a medically verifiable disorder of six development as determined by external biological sex characteristics and crumble zones. Also in conclusion under this bill, no nervous counselor teacher principal or administrator in a public or private school shall engage of course a minor to withhold from the minors parents. The fact that the minors perception of his or her sex is inconsistent with the managed by logical sex or withhold from the minors. Parents information related to a minor perception in his or her gender or sex is inconsistent with his Earth sex. HB 303 will allow children time to mature and it will allow time until the child reaches the age of majority so their brains can develop and they can make informed adult decisions about drugs and surgeries. With that mister German. Okay. At that point, we will start our public hearing. We will start out today with opposition Cynthia Lamar Heart. Thank you Mister Chairman Committee. My name is Cynthia Lamar Hart. I'm a shareholder in the Birmingham law firm of Maynard Cooper and Gayle, where I practice law for 30 years. I also have the privilege of representing over 150 transgender constituents of yours in the state of Alabama, many of whom are transgender adolescents and their parents. I call your attention to the handout you received this morning in which board-certified pediatricians refuse point by point. The grossly inaccurate claims set forth in this bill and then the Eagle Forum talking points that supported this bill and those talking points contained election year buzz words like human medical experimentation intended to alarm you into thinking that Alabama's transgender youth need protection from their physicians and their own parents. But these claims are inaccurate. The truth is our children need protection from this bill. Let me underscore. Points you'll find in the handout first. The truth is that transgender youth in Alabama and across this nation are treated by physicians in accordance with best medical practices that are endorsed as safe and effective by the American Academy of Pediatrics and the American Medical Association. These protocols are evidence based and they are not experimental Second. This bill would obstruct an Alabama parents authority to determine that parents that child's health care care that is in. As safe and effective by the leading medical authorities, this would be an unwarranted intrusion into the parent child physician relationship. These points alone should be sufficient to defeat this bill, but perhaps you will hear a competing arguments today and these truths will get lost in the shuffle. So let me also appeal to you from a more personal standpoint. My husband and I are lifelong Alabama citizens. Our four children are our pride and joy. One is a software engineer two are in College and. One is presently serving our nation as a deployed Marine and one of those children is transgender because our family had access to best practice affirming medical care today. Our daughter is a healthy happy successful adult, so I have walked this path and I know from firsthand experience the devastating impact that this bill would have on Alabama's transgender youth and their parents. If you have never parented a transgender child, if you do not know any parents who would be barred by this bill from obtaining the very best medical care available for their child, then please listen to me as a legal advocate and as a parent and please listen to the transgender youth and their parents and physicians and psychologists and school administrators who are lined up in this room to tell you that our children do not need protection from this bill. Thank you thank. Sydney, right and support of this bill, I would ask anyone if they come up and refer to information you've given us tell us that before so we can have it. We're not looking for it as you're talking. Hey, my name is Sydney Wright. I spent a year as a transgender male and these are the pictures of my before and after and I live I actually live in Cedar Bluff, Alabama. I was actually gonna read the note cards and I actually had an entire speech, but from everything that I've heard in all the efforts I would rather just tell Y'all what I experienced. I went and had therapy for six. Weeks I was about for an hour for those six weeks. They did not care. they did not care to do anything. I was referred to an endocrinologist who then did not open. the letter did not care to read the letter prescribing the hormones and when I asked to do the disaster shot and if he was gonna give it to me himself, he laughed in my face and told me to go home and watch YouTube videos and figure it out. So for eight months, I administered a subcutaneous shot in my stomach when it should have. Entry intramuscular in my thigh that was not the only problems that calls the actual testosterone itself caused for me to become pre-diabetic. I gained 50 pounds. I developed a rare blood disease that made my blood thicken and start to cause clots. I was admitted into the ER for pulmonary embolism at that was considered to possibly be in my lung. I was hospitalized for numerous times due to the fact that I was. Off the hormones and then my body I become dependent. I had almost died from their hormones themselves and I was all at the age of 18 doing this and I cannot even begin to fathom somebody younger than that to be able to do that or to even make that decision and at 20 - one. I'm still not able to make that decision. They do not know they do not approve and they do not know what it's gonna do to you and the doctors actually do not care. I had asked my What's going on it even said pre diabetic on my lap. Can you told me you're fine? Don't worry about it. This happens when you're going through these changes it don't if this is not how you're supposed to be treated, you're born in your body and you need therapy. you need help and I actually went to therapy afterwards and realize what was causing these problems and it was internal everything was internal. but now I have I have to take daily medications to remain healthy. I have to take estrogen day. To be able to remain the way I look I have to. I get sick and very nauseous and I'm very my intestines are messed up due to the death so strong and I had no idea that any of this would happen and the doctors never told you because they want you to do this. It is a medical scandal that is all this is and if you get brainwashed into it and you believe that this is the way that you're supposed to live and you believe that it's supposed to be okay. So you go when you fight for it and I get time. Thank you. Thank you of course. And opposition Marissa Legislators thank you for this opportunity. I'm an Alabama Board-certified pediatrician with set 20 - seven years of frontline primary care delivery. I just wanna I hope to clarify those some critical points fundamental to all of our shared values within this bill as a pediatrician, I strive to protect the health life and wholeness of youth. My care team, though, includes the adults who nurture guide and love our patients those in their homes and in their schools, First trans and gender non-conforming youth comprise barely one point five percent of all youth. Medical service provision to gender Disport youth is not a public health risk. That's an inflammatory term. Corona viruses of public health risk. I served with great humility on the governor's opioid Council that is a public health crisis. Second, the confidential relationship accorded students with their school nurses and counselors is critical to sustain health. One in five girls and one in 20 boys are sexually abused their victims of child sexual abuse. not to mention this. Many instances in my experience, disclosure came to a trusted teacher or nurse Please. I need that safety net to be conditionally upheld. third. This bill is impossible to enact currently as long pharmacists rarely if ever know the indication for a medication, they're feeling the prescription for to criminalize a pharmacist for filling a balanced script written by a licensed providers crazy any questions. Maybe Representative Johnson can help a pharmacist my prayers to see today end the time you all must spend debating a bill that affects fairly one point five percent of Alabamians. please address what your constituents thought you there to do, okay initiatives around maternal mortality and health care fourth and most critical this bill interferes with the inherent and value given right of parents to figure prominently. Healthier decision making around their children this bill failed in South Dakota like Alabama, a very conservative state with a Republican supermajority Republican legislators stated their opposition was their reluctance to interfere and parental rights. Republican Governor Christie was asked. would she have vetoed the bill that came to her desk. She expressed relief it never did stating and a quote when you take public policy and try to feel parenting gaps with more government, you have to be very. Careful with the precedent you're setting this bill is critically flawed and it opens and anti-parasitic Pandora's box Your constituents need you to walk from it. Thank you. In Sport, Patrick report. Good morning, I'm Doctor Patrick Lambert. I'm a board certified general surgeon or terrified plastic surgeon. I've got 27 plus years experience with reconstructive surgery. much of it with children. the question before us today about transgender is a real. It's a real question is a real problem. It's a reality that people experience a dispute or unhappiness about their their sex appearance, an incongruity that begins in childhood. the. The historic treatment for this condition of gender dysphoria as it's called now it's been what's called watchful waiting that is to say that we we raise the child as parents have always raised their children with love and support and nurturing that you educate them. sometimes it requires psychological support to help understand because very often children will develop this interior anxiety over what's are seemingly trivial events in their lives. The children are prone to misinterpret the events in their lives and sometimes seek remedies. Perhaps they feel unsafe. And they would feel safer if they were more like their sisters and their brother. The causes are manifold. The point of this is though that historical data supports the watchful waiting. Even the DSM five book tells us that Naple males persons who are born male, have a 70 to 97 percent likelihood of aligning their sex identity with their their their physical sex by the time they're in early adulthood, 70 to 97 percent. The numbers are a bit a bit less in nailed females person's born female it that somewhere between 50 and 70 - eight percent, so that is to say that if you just do the watchful waiting approach support the child love the child educate the child encourage them with with the the truth of human life, But the odds are vastly in favor of their getting over it without any intervention with medicines or surgery. Excuse me. So what does that mean well if you? The same children and bring them into a gender affirming environment, which is the new form of therapy that was watchful waiting. Now we have affirmation therapy what is affirmation therapy. It encourages the child to believe in themselves as being in the wrong body. That's the language that is used and that efforts will be made to affirm what they believe is their identity include words of encouragement medications surgery. This is a progression that begins with with socializing and then progresses to medical interventions progresses in some not all to surgical interventions if a child is brought into. A gender affirming environment, the odds are 100 percent that they will persist in that idea. Why does that happen because children particularly anxious children thrive on the affirmation of adults who are promising a happy future to them. That's a natural response of a child, and if you continue to do that and they still have this interior anxiety while they will seek the next step or what is the next step purity blockade? Tom Thank you. Thank you. And opposition ban. My name is Daniel Tiger's, I am 18 years old and I like many Alabamians and transgender. I am one of the lucky ones who is accepted by my parent family, But the adoption of this policy would have put my life at risk in many ways, forcing a child to come out before they are ready through parental notification can be detrimental to the lives of trans youth requiring school faculty to tell a child's parents about their identity exposes them to higher risk of violence at home many facing home. Something that about a quarter of transgender individuals experience the average age for being kicked out being 13 and a half. one of my dearest friends was brutalized by his parents. when someone told his parents there his identity before he was ready and he was kicked out at the age of 16. This bill also released, which is the child's ability to confide in and seek advice from an adult they trust with this bill. You are denying medical evidence and overruling medical professionals who understand the complexity of these issues by being. Is biologically and it is no longer recognized by the DSM structurally and functionally transgender brains more similarly, resembled the brains of the identity of the agenda that we identify as than the gender that we were assigned at birth. This correlation is evident before during and after treatments sexual differentiation of the brain and the generals occurred different stages in the immensely complex process of forming human and transgender individuals. This results in brain and body incongruity. This incongruity causes a. Distress I began to have suicidal thoughts as a toddler trying to think myself out of existence until at seven. I told my mom that I wasn't perfect and therefore I needed to go back home to God. This only got worse over the years until when I was 11 and puberty started, I attempted suicide to cope with my changing body. I developed a deadly eating disorder just the eating disorder, anorexia gender affirmation treatments of which there is a 90 - six percent satisfaction rate save lives despite what these unsafe. Fear modern margarine flyers that you've received my report. The Trump transition late is so low that has been deemed statistically insignificant. Meanwhile, the successful suicide rate of trans children who are not accepted by their parents. The biggest part of this acceptance. I think allowed access to life-saving treatments is three point five times higher than those who have acceptance. I had. I not received the treatment that I did when I was 16. I would not be alive right now these. Not only stopped the depression and suicidal thoughts that I had experienced since infancy, but also healed my eating disorder and suit for the first time in my life, I am healthy and genuinely happy this is directly because of these treatments. Please don't take away the lies and happiness of thousands of Alabamians like me. 10 vote. No. thank you. Higher Thank you. My name is Walt Heyer. I come to you with at the age of 70 - nine with 70 - five years of firsthand experience with this issue. I strongly urge you to vote yes on the Capitol. My gender confusion started when I was four years old. when my babysitter, my grandmother made me a purple chiffon dress that I enjoyed cross dressing in. she affirmed me for many years as a young girl, outwardly Rough and tumble boy, but inside my head and sometimes when I was with my grandmother, I was this girl. I was a teenager. I adopted a female name. I dreamed of being a girl in my twenties still struggling with these identity issues. I got married had two children and had a successful career in the aerospace and auto industry. But the purple dress was still an issue that I struggled with. I went to top gender specialist Doctor Paul Walker in San Francisco who prescribed hormones and surgery. It seems like the reason. Thing to do so at age 40 - two, I underwent gender reassignment surgery and lived his feet Large Jensen female for eight years. it didn't resolve things. In fact, I turned almost to suicide attempting suicide at because I went through this, it harm my body. My body still shows the scars now 30 - five years later, thankfully through good sound psychotherapy, I resolve the issues that caused Identify as a female and I went back 30 years ago to being want. I'm married now for over 20 years again and I am now for the last 15 years been mentoring those who have sex change regret through my website Sex change Regret dot com the most recent case I had was a 19 year-old man who contact me and allowed me to write his story and share that story. He started on hormones when he was 15 years old and he with his parents approval at 18. He underwent the full gender reassignment surgery to become a female at 19. He contacted me and said this was the biggest mistake of my life. My body is ruined. I feel like a Frankenstein monster. can you help me be transition and today? I'm getting hundreds of those request to be transition through my website. and so what happens to these young individuals who think this is the right thing to do they regret it either one or 15 or even 20 I've had in 30 years after the surgery, regret it and want to transition it ruins their body. It ruins their life. He's never gonna be able to foster children. so I urge strongly urge you to vote. Yes on this bill. Thank you. thank you. Laura Ambry In opposition Members of the Committee Thank you so much for hearing us. My name is Laura. I'm a clinical psychologist from here in Alabama. I grew up in Shelby and practice in Birmingham. I'm here today because I've treated hundreds of these families. My guess is that most of you all have not had many interactions with trans families or transform or their families. I have I've seen the anguish. Of parents who've been told by their children they would rather die than live in the wrong body, A parents who are watching their children starve themselves to reverse signs of puberty. Who are dropping out of school and refusing to interact with anyone because they've lost all hope for the future. These families are seeking treatment to keep their children alive. It is urgent treatment, not a watch and wait situation. Now, I've read the proposed bill and if I thought what it said were true, I would certainly have questions and grave concerns. but what this bill describes is not what happens. First. No one in Alabama is doing surgeries on kids second all the therapies that are offered to families up to 16 years of age, like puberty, blockers and counseling are totally reversible. Third kids are not and These therapies without their full family supporting and being a part of the process. This isn't something kids are pursuing outside of their parents knowledge. Most often what I see is parents and their kids pursuing treatment together the process they undergo undergo includes family counseling and generally takes years is not easy, but they do it because these therapies have been shown in many regular studies across many decades to reduce the risk of suicide. Allows these kids to move forward in life to graduate high school and College and live lives that are just as happy as the rest of us. Now, some parents may choose to not support their child transitioning or to have them wait. There's certainly families that I have counseled to wait. There are many families who know their child can't wait. Those parents ought to be able to access therapies that are recommended by the American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Medical Association and the American Psychological Association to help their kids in the way that they feel is best and the doctors who sit with these kids, obviously prescribe them carefully as they do now in keeping with their own to do no harm. These treatments are not reckless. They save lives. Thank you. Thank you. And support Quinton Van Meter. I wanna thank you for the opportunity to be able to speak with you this morning. I'm a pediatric endocrinologist and a pediatrician board certified in both specialties. I have been practicing pediatrics for 40 - four years pediatric endocrinology for 40 years. I started out in Johns Hopkins Hospital Training Center with Doctor John Bonny as a faculty mentor Doctor Money's principles of Let's do something to a patient and see what happens created more businesses that were found to be income cases fatal and taking in patients They physically change or medically change from their biologic sex so the program at Johns Hopkins, where I trained at that time, it was closed down, but it was verified that the long term out come to these patients. Both adult and children who were essentially made to be in opposition to their biologic sex by social transition, medical transition and surgical transition. They had horrible outcomes at ended up in the program was closed that was experimentation on children without any scientific basis. In the years intervening what we have is no valid studies that show that this is a recommended as recommended for transitioning is safe and effective. There are many studies that are anecdotal they World Professional Association of Transgender Health is an Organization that that is a transgender advocacy group. It does not base its recommendations in his quote standards of care on science because when you review that document that those recommendations critically, they fall short of. It is safe or effective the the endocrine Society in the United States as a professional group that created a set of guidelines in 2009 and 2017 They were revised again and those authors of those of those recommendations and guidelines clearly state that there is no valid scientific evidence for what they recommend and that their recommendations are based on their personal strongly held beliefs is those right organizations and those recommendations that cause the American Academy Pediatrics to approve the guidelines that. In September of 2018, after that publication, a very prominent LGBT activism psychologist tour those recommendations apart as invalid based on the fact that the recommendations were based not on actual science. But on opinion or misrepresentation of the data sex is biologic, there is absolutely no proven reproducible evidence that gender is biologically gender is a concept in the head biology. Sex is in the body and when they're incongruent and we're going to do things to block purity. There's no study that shows blocking puberty in a child. What the experiment is is all the 50 - five transgender clinics across this country and those in this state. Those patients are being subjected to an open-ended uncontrolled experiment to block puberty and see some 20 or 30 or 40 years old. Thank you. Thank you. thank Michael Wilson. Good morning and thank you for allowing me to speak to you. I can I would like to speak to this on two levels first, the first level, as is as a 20 - eight year educator in the state of Alabama and the current Alabama distinguished principal for the state. so the portion of the Talks about criminalizing non-repellent thing is is very concerning to me. We currently have mandated reporting in the cases where we foresee child endangerment or child abuse. In this case, I may be actually the one that causes the abuse or the endangerment of a child by the reporting of what May or may not be true statements from other students. Other teachers are the child. Secondly, I wanna speak to this bill as a voter and as a citizen. Members of this body do not have the right to legislate. Who we are as individuals? As human beings, We have the right to decide who we are and what role we play in society. It's not something that can or will be legislated. As a member of the LGBTQ community, I can tell you that I've known since a child who I was. And no legislator amount of legislation are Earth threats of of laws would ever change that I am who God made. Thank you. The last Speaker in the public hearing, Susan Field and support. Hello, I'm Susan Phil. I'm a board certified pediatrician practicing in Alabama for 30 - five years. I've lived my whole life about a year ago and my private practice the parents of a patient my care for many many years he came with concern for their daughter. The father had taken her as helping the wife to get a haircut he was shot from this beautiful young last appeared with a very short magical inherited. This was her way of announcing that she believes she was a transgender male. She was also Tired not happy with who she was and down about life in general, she had found many YouTube videos on how to transition and in fact, she had found that there were complete instructions for everything A girl could ever wanna know about transitioning. Fortunately, with help from a counselor and a good psychiatrist, she was able to address the problems that were underneath and underlying. In addition to the depression, I saw her just a couple of weeks ago. she is now. Happy Beautiful Young lady thanks to her caring parents and appropriate care. In recent years, we have seen the number of children who identify as transgender and skyrocketing. I was shocked when in 2018, as you've already heard the American Academy of Pediatrics came out with a guidelines on how to treat them. in fact, in how to use the puberty blockers and cross sex hormones. and so, as you've already heard that. That has been proven as a gender expert fact check the policy statement expose it is just systematic of misrepresentation of the science. purely blockers can cause skin bones seizures, depression personality changes it was originally used for prostate cancer treatment. I've seen these side effects in my own father in the cross sex hormones cause heart attacks. Blood cots deadly things, including diabetes and just a few other be more things too. also vast majority of kids about 80 - four point, two percent who believe they are trapped in the wrong body will ultimately accept their body. if they don't get puberty blockers the best long-term evidence we have among adults shows that hormones and surgery used to mimic the non birth sex is Associated with the suicide rate 19 times higher than the population control. Clearly, we must do something and to help these young people provide them loving rest realistic guidance and for them and their parents and offer counseling to explore and treat underlying issues with medicines if necessary. harmful drugs used to block normal puberty, dangerous across sex hormones and surgery that mutilate and renders individuals steroid and sexually dysfunction are not good care. Thank you. Much we will call the public hearing to the end. I would ask Representative Allen to come and be had and I would ask you to if you have any comments and then we're gonna open it up to the Committee for questions. you have any comments or you want to take questions. No sir. I just would ask that you give it up for it. Okay sir. Represent. For office, I'm sure like many of you that came with a sense of a tremendous amount of responsibility, actually right here. That wasn't a responsibility to the Democrats that wasn't a responsibility to the Republicans. It wasn't a responsibility to the progressives with the Liberals. It wasn't a responsibility to the conservatives. Responsibility to anyone individual The responsibility to the people all the people who make Alabama their home. Responsibility to the families, Alabama, who formed the foundation of our communities that make up our beautiful home, Alabama. But as the app like to ask anyone who's opposed to this bill, please stand up or indicate who you are. These are the people we have a responsibility too. These are the parents from all over the state that I think you may be seated. Thank you. Thank you. I'm sorry. these are the people that were responsible to these the parents from all over the state. Those are the people we have a responsibility too. Are we really willing to tell these parents these families that we perfect strangers to these folks that we know better than they do. We only get a three -minute per view little a little window into into this lifelong struggle that some of these people have had to deal with the turmoil the pain the anguish as you've heard today, these families went through to make these So if you have even a shred of doubt that we must think back to that responsibility, we each felt when we were taking the oath of office. We must think of our responsibility not to the sponsor of the bill. No offense representative not to our own political leadings not to our own personal biases their responsibility to fully understand the weight and gravity of the black. White of the bill right here before you. And how it's gonna impact Alabama families If you have even an inkling of a feeling that this bill has the capacity to damage or diminish the dignity that all of our friends excuse me of the people who have just stood up and everyone they represent. If you have even a little bit of an inkling that this could fit diminished the dignity of our of people that are in your families, your neighbors, your friends and members of your congregation. That we must take this seriously right now. If this bill is pushed through, then you must know that we are giving into fear. You must know that there may be blood on our hands. Yes, there will be worst off. We are letting fear drive public policy that will set an unprecedented standard of our role as legislators to interject ourselves into the private deeply personal family medical decisions of Alabama families. so we mustn't let our fear of something we may not understand something we might be weirded out by something we might not fully comprehend be the driving force for why we put it pushes policy through we must have. The parts out you heard a lot of stuff today, some of the conflicting it's not. it is not our duty to take our time to make sure that we understand this issue completely. That's how we take it that the beer out from the steering wheel and that's how we put logic reason and evidence to drive public policy that works. That is our duty as legislators that is our duty. As health Committee members, To make sure that we put forward the best bill for all of Alabama because we call this home too. That I would like to make a motion to put this into subcommittee for health care professionals and procedures for further study research and review. And I would like that to be a roll call. Share that emotion on the table. I think I heard a second do I hear a second for the layout table second by Representative Mark Marcus. Call those who would agree to laying on the table by saying okay, No not for that one though, but we will do a roll call roll call vote for sending it to a sub. If your vote on the motion on table lay on the motion on the table. If you're in favor of laying the motion on the table, it will be I vote. yes, we'll go. Call Yay Johnson. Represent no waiver represent Greg. No. yeah. Lover Marcus Yeah, represent me yes. Oliver Yes, no represent sales. Motion passes Representative Paul You had some comments or questions. Information that we heard I noticed on page three of the bills that it said the Legislature finds. And that's one of the reasons why I seconded the motion by Representative rapidly. at what point it win that we do a subcommittee or. Come up with the statements that we have listed here on this bill. What it starts on page three it goes over to line 2018 on page I guess that's to the Speaker. Yes okay to the yes man. That's just the way that we I wrote the bill and ask to construct the bill and I asked him to put that in there based on the 61 and two and one that included in 345 and one of that to be in the bill to lay out what the Legislature what's the Legislature find just found. But you do know I made this is not first time. I've had this so it's not just with you that anytime that we have bills that state that if we did not have a subcommittee or. Boy Commission doing that is really becomes what we think versus what is the point? Thank you yes. Ma'. Yes, ma' am represent Warren Thank you Mister chairman As I said today and I listened, I had to really sit here and pray because this is a serious situation. We have those who have been successful. We paid those who have not been I'm just not comfortable with what we have as statistics. I assumed that this practice is actively going on in the state of Alabama and I heard that we do no surgeries so my concern is and I heard that a small percentage that are being affected. Can we document in the state of Alabama? How many cases we actually had doing? This is this something that we're have picked up in other States that we wanna bring to Alabama because it is not a problem. A crisis situation and people are living in dealing with it every day. I personally don't think we're to judge what a person wants to do with their body. I see what you're doing. I wanna make sure that kids are safe and healthy, but given the information we have here, it is not enough for me to make a decision. I wanna make a decision, but I think as we get into issues of this nature that involves one bodies, one religious beliefs, the way you live your life. as legislators, we are going a little bit too far. I would rather see a bill that will address more of the third piece of the needs of the requirement. Just like we did for. Could we do the same thing and have steps and measures to try to help people make good decisions with their lives and not come and just basically criminalize people for situations because as I said here and I thought about it, I went back to my childhood and I had a little boy who lived right across the ditch and where I stayed in this little boy was born a male. He had to live a life of a male because there was no medical or approved research to help him. so as a male body. This boy was the prettiest girl. He was the most. Girl that he could be so he had to walk around and I haven't been home in a long time, but I'm pretty sure he still there being identified as a man fully dressed as a woman and comfortable now my question to me. If that was me what would I have to do and I don't think we we we are really deep and digging deep enough into our souls to really determine how we can make a decision. Of the day, what if it's it's dependent on other folks lives so Mister Chairman I I'm just not satisfied that there's enough evidence out here and we don't wanna table it, but I think that as we sit down and you do like I did you pray and as God's guidance, he's gonna show you that we need to slow this train up and we need to make sure that the city decisions that we're making here today my decisions that. Can live with and that's my representative before I move on. I wanna make sure I was there a question in there that we need answered by the sponsor or we're ready to move on. There was a question how many cases have we had in Alabama. I don't know the number of cases even with medications we we do know that it is taking place in Alabama that medications are being prescribed to minors and I would like to add that this bill is very specific it deals with minors. It does not address adults adults. To make your choices about how they wanna live their lives, I also want to remind this body that we dealt with a bill that we passed up think A hundred and three to nothing that the dealt with female genital mutilation for minors that outlaw that and so we were trying to take care of children and I understand your concerns with the bill and understand your concerns with the issue but I just wanna make sure that that that specifically say this is about children and this is minors. Adults.