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                        "text": "As someone who identifies a lot with the furry community (though I'm still too fresh), this comment represents what I think is a misunderstanding about the furry community.\n\nYou are conflating two movements; Otherkin and Furries. Furries are people whom enjoy roleplaying and pretending that they are animals. Otherkin are people who act as though or (like to) believe they are concepts trapped within the bodies of humans. And I think that is a very, very important distinction.\n\nFurries are people who seek to combine the sympathetic anthropomorphic with the sympathetic animalistic. If I, roleplaying as an anthropomorphic character, communicate an emotional state of mind, I can give cues through both human and animal body language. I can swivel my ears, I can wriggle my nose, I can dilate my eyes, I can gape at someone, I can raise my brows, etc.\n\nIn addition, furrydom allows for the expression of \"animal nature\" in ways that either or both emphasize or de-emphasize that they animal. In a cartoon, you can forgive a cartoon animal pursuing another cartoon animal to eat it, because it's not human after all, but at the same time, it is human in a way. So, acts of aggression (usually) have connotations that are different rather than similarly abhorrent as we would observe it if the characters were wholly human.\n\nFor Otherkin, however, these displays of behavior are distinctly humanizing to them. Being able to express emotions of aggression and framing it in the mind of a predator is elating and incredibly cathargic. You can, for a moment, forgive yourself for having emotions that we, as society, describe as inhuman even though they are anything but, because you embrace the inhumanity. At the same time,  Otherkin can also distance themselves from these same emotions, distancing themselves from what they consider to be human's state of nature.\n\nSo, Otherkin are typically, I think, a cathargic expression of what it's.. Practioners? Followers? Subscribers? think what human's state of nature is like, while furries are trying to briefly escape their human body to express themselves in a new and novel way, without illusion that they aren't actually animals and are never going to be.\n\nThere's a fascinating study from 2012 which studied the concept of \"enclothed cognition\" which says that, wearing the clothes of something makes you ultimately think differently. I think that roleplaying a furry adds another layer to that; you're mentally wearing the body of an animal around the mind of a sentient creature. The body is helping you inform your role, even if you're otherwise acting just as you would if you were human.\n\nFurries are, as far as I can tell, roleplayers whom seek an enclothed immersion (of which cosplayers are an extreme), while Otherkin seek to catharsis by labeling their emotions as other than human. Some furries actually do have fantasies about becoming anthropomorphic, of that I have no doubt, but that's the difference. Cyborgs aren't just about /becoming/ something different, they are about /being/ something different. Otherkin are about /thinking/ something different.\n\nSo, in summary; For furries, it is the transition, enclothment and immersion between human and anthro that is most important. For otherkin, it is about identifying and explaining their place in the world as it is right now. For cyborgs, the end-result, however evolving, is what counts.\n\nLike, there's augmented as in Pok\u00e9mon Go as a mobile phone app (furries) and there's augmented as in, your body has literally been augmented. You can put a mobile phone app away and fantasize about being a pok\u00e9mon trainer, an augmented body stays augmented to your human experience (even after removal) forever.\n\nFor example, there's an eye droplet which allows you to see in the dark for a few hours. This is a form of bio-hacking. Your perspective of your own bodies' limits will be forever changed after you have used that droplet, even after it disappears, because you will never forget what it's like to use your body in that way. Furries don't have that experience, they can just imagine it and, I think, most furries are happy to leave it in their imagination, even if they claim otherwise."
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                        "text": "As someone who identifies a lot with the furry community (though I'm still too fresh), this comment represents what I think is a misunderstanding about the furry community.\n\nYou are conflating two movements; Otherkin and Furries. Furries are people whom enjoy roleplaying and pretending that they are animals. Otherkin are people who act as though or (like to) believe they are concepts trapped within the bodies of humans. And I think that is a very, very important distinction.\n\nFurries are people who seek to combine the sympathetic anthropomorphic with the sympathetic animalistic. If I, roleplaying as an anthropomorphic character, communicate an emotional state of mind, I can give cues through both human and animal body language. I can swivel my ears, I can wriggle my nose, I can dilate my eyes, I can gape at someone, I can raise my brows, etc.\n\nIn addition, furrydom allows for the expression of \"animal nature\" in ways that either or both emphasize or de-emphasize that they animal. In a cartoon, you can forgive a cartoon animal pursuing another cartoon animal to eat it, because it's not human after all, but at the same time, it is human in a way. So, acts of aggression (usually) have connotations that are different rather than similarly abhorrent as we would observe it if the characters were wholly human.\n\nFor Otherkin, however, these displays of behavior are distinctly humanizing to them. Being able to express emotions of aggression and framing it in the mind of a predator is elating and incredibly cathargic. You can, for a moment, forgive yourself for having emotions that we, as society, describe as inhuman even though they are anything but, because you embrace the inhumanity. At the same time,  Otherkin can also distance themselves from these same emotions, distancing themselves from what they consider to be human's state of nature.\n\nSo, Otherkin are typically, I think, a cathargic expression of what it's.. Practioners? Followers? Subscribers? think what human's state of nature is like, while furries are trying to briefly escape their human body to express themselves in a new and novel way, without illusion that they aren't actually animals and are never going to be.\n\nThere's a fascinating study from 2012 which studied the concept of \"enclothed cognition\" which says that, wearing the clothes of something makes you ultimately think differently. I think that roleplaying a furry adds another layer to that; you're mentally wearing the body of an animal around the mind of a sentient creature. The body is helping you inform your role, even if you're otherwise acting just as you would if you were human.\n\nFurries are, as far as I can tell, roleplayers whom seek an enclothed immersion (of which cosplayers are an extreme), while Otherkin seek to catharsis by labeling their emotions as other than human. Some furries actually do have fantasies about becoming anthropomorphic, of that I have no doubt, but that's the difference. Cyborgs aren't just about /becoming/ something different, they are about /being/ something different. Otherkin are about /thinking/ something different.\n\nSo, in summary; For furries, it is the transition, enclothment and immersion between human and anthro that is most important. For otherkin, it is about identifying and explaining their place in the world as it is right now. For cyborgs, the end-result, however evolving, is what counts.\n\nLike, there's augmented as in Pok\u00e9mon Go as a mobile phone app (furries) and there's augmented as in, your body has literally been augmented. You can put a mobile phone app away and fantasize about being a pok\u00e9mon trainer, an augmented body stays augmented to your human experience (even after removal) forever.\n\nFor example, there's an eye droplet which allows you to see in the dark for a few hours. This is a form of bio-hacking. Your perspective of your own bodies' limits will be forever changed after you have used that droplet, even after it disappears, because you will never forget what it's like to use your body in that way. Furries don't have that experience, they can just imagine it and, I think, most furries are happy to leave it in their imagination, even if they claim otherwise.",
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