Hi everyone good afternoon. I hope you all had a really great weekend. I hope you're well safe continuing to practice social distance, so we can all help flatten the curve as many of you know, this is the seventeenth in our series of Facebook live conversations with members of the community who are addressing Cove, 19 and helping us in lots of different ways of the many different impacts of this pandemic on our community. once significant one has been the increase in hatred and racism towards our. In an Asian-American neighbor who who they have experienced in far greater numbers than we've seen before and look at someone personally, who's experienced acts of hatred for myself for being Latino and for being Jewish. I know what that's like to feel isolated and I know what that's like and how that feels to be called like the other. So that's why I dedicated my entire life to building connecting connecting and strengthening our communities, ensuring that all of us have access to the same opportunities and that no one is. Against based on who they are who they love how much money they earn and where they live and it's really what our entire campaign is about. I know that we're only as strong as the most vulnerable in our communities and hate against any community is hate against all communities just to give a little background to our conversation. We're gonna have a Sam today on March nineteenth a reporting Center was founded by the Asian Pacific Policy Planning Council. Chinese, for Affirmative action, San Francisco State University's Asian American Studies Department to get people across the. A chance to report acts of hatred towards Asians and Asian Americans and in just one month the Center received over 1500 reports of Covet 19 discrimination some of the other patterns that have been emerging over the last month incidences in California. New York have concentrated over 58 percent of those reports civil right violations involving workplace discrimination and be barred from businesses and transportation or refused service make up 10 percent of that report, 44 percent. Incidents took place in private businesses, Asian-American women were harassed two point, three times more than men. nine percent of the respondents were over 60 years old and reports came from over 45 States across the country. I also saw another report by the human Rights watch that have already themselves gun reports over 1100 incidents against the Asian American community. Look. These are really tough statistics to read And before we even had a chance at the state side stay at home or I actually had the opportunity to participate in a Jewish event in Brookline to support the Asian American community at the Siu Gourmet in Brooklyn, which was really great. They brought all of our communities together. We need to do everything we can to make sure that our Asian American neighbors feel safe and protected and that they know we're here for them. and that's why I'm so grateful to have Samon the executive director at the Korean American Citizens League and a Commissioner for the Mass. Use it's Asian-American Commission to join me today so that we can all help understand what the experiences are the Asian-American communities right now and how we can support and better protect them if you have any questions during this conversation, please use the chat feature or comment on our Facebook live video and we will get to your questions as soon as we can. If you're in Zoom, please just raise your hand because you will be muted and we will unmute you to answer your questions. So with all of that, you didn't hear me and you didn't come here to hear me speak. let's hear from Sam. so Sam welcome. please tell us a. Bit about yourself your role as the executive director of the Korean American Citizens League. How long you've been in those roles and your role on the Asian-American Commission? Yeah. Thank you so much for having me on Ben. It's you know real privilege to be here to be able to speak on behalf of my community and so you know as for myself, I am the executive director of the Korean American Citizens League. We are the one of the largest Korean American organizations in New England and I've been there since about December. As well as with the Asian American Commission, I've been there since I was appointed with the in February and but prior to that I worked for the Massachusetts House Speaker for five years and I'm also a graduate student right now at Brandy High School for Social Policy and Management. Yeah, not too many things going on there. tell us tell us a little bit about the Korean American Citizens League. What what is their mission? What do they? How long that they've been around and also the Asian American Commission? What it's role is as well. Well. K C, L, is has been around for about 30 years and the mission of the K C L, is to increase representation of the Korean-American invisibility of the Korean American citizens of New England. So a lot of the work that we do, for example, is we really try to encourage civic engagement? We try to have an internship every summer where we have American students who apply to our program. Then we'll place them either in state or local offices and sometimes federal as well. So it's it's one of those things where we're trying to provide services for the American community. We try to kinda be the umbrella in which if people have any issues that they can come to us and we can redirect them and make sure that they're being provided for As for the Commission. The Commission is supposed to represent the Asian-American community to the state government and as well as vice versa where you know the state government back to the Asian American community. so we're supposed to be kind of the pivot point to make sure that the Asian. Community is being well represented as well as being serviced and provided for so we've had a pretty large role to play, especially in the advent of 19 amazing. So let's talk about let's start with you personally. How is this pandemic been like for you personally and your family? I think you know it for like everyone else it's been incredibly challenging. I think we're we've all been struggling for in many ways and for my younger sister she lives in Manhattan. so it's been a pretty challenging and scary to think that you know she's right in the epicenter of the hotspot of the United States in terms of where Cove 19 is the most prevalent prevalent in my oldest sister. It's three young children she lives in Sudbury, so it's it's you're always worried about you know how are they holding a power that they handling this situation? You know, they're they're so young. They quite understand the magnitude of what we're going through right now and my mom is an essential worker. She owns a laundry mat right on Route nine Senko in Newton called Clearwater Laundromat, and she has to go to work every day and the challenging part for that. The difficulty is because she's considered in essential. She actually hasn't been receiving she's been through the cracks in terms of receiving you know SBA loans in terms of receiving other benefits that small businesses have been allocated for and it's been a real difficult place where she feels the need to stay open because she believes that's one way that she can help society and the community. It's is creating a space for people to be able to clean their clothes and be able to get out of the House a little bit and and social distancing, but people deserve to have. Close So for for me, it's it's really just been worrying about my family, which I've been the most worried work has been pretty busy as you can imagine. But at the same time, I'm more focused on making sure that my family is safe, too. I think that makes sense and I think that's the struggle. That's why all of us are on 24 hours a day now because we're trying to balance family and work and personal self care and I know yesterday, we were just seeing that there is a coalition of over 80 organizations in Massachusetts. Trying to push the state government for more help for small businesses outside the federal because I think the smaller businesses like your moms smaller minority-owned businesses are falling through those cracks in order to get the help they need. So I'm sure that's really stressful but let's talk about and switch over to your role at K C L in the Asian American Commission, which is what is that been like how are those two roles been affected? What are they doing differently now than they were doing before and has the mission changed in any way. I appreciate that question in terms of K ACL, we've got to cancel everything we've had to cancel our summer internship program We've had to cancel all of you know our our largest fund-raising events. so it's been really challenging in that way, but I have to say my board has been outstanding. My staff has been outstanding. They work really hard and they're they're really communicated and we actually just received a random donation from a Korean American citizen who wishes to remain anonymous but that. And donated a hundred masks and 95 mask so that we can then distribute out to people who we've got who really need it. So it's those random acts of kindness. I really do keep us afloat and really do inspire us each and every day and in terms of AC, it's been around the clock work again. I got a shout out to staff. the staff has been outstanding. I mean they are working so hard building relationships with the attorney General's Office district attorneys making sure that we're we're comply. Resources to make sure that the Asian-American community has the the access that it needs in order to kind of weather the storm here and prior to social Justice was enforced prior to the shutdown and the state of emergency be declared Asian-American Commission. We held a press conference in front of the State House and to condemn racism and discrimination and xenophobia towards the Asian-American community and to call for solidarity and I have to I was really proud to see many leaders from different. Come and support us, not just Asian American leaders. I think that's great. I it's so important. so so take a step back and talk to us about your role on both of these right now. How your specific role is change? What are you finding your spending time doing running K C L, and what are you doing now As part of the Commission? you've talked about what they're doing as a whole, but you are specific role on each for my specific. one of the things is trying to figure out an alternative for the students who lost their internships. so I've actually been working with. DKA, which is an Organization Korean-American Citizenss League Arts Council of Korean Americans, which is based on in DC, which is a National Organization for Korean Americans as well as KC LA, which is the Korean-American coalition of Los Angeles. So we have all all three of us along with two CEOs have partnered together to create a summer program for young Korean Americans up to age 25 so that they can you know we're we're we talk about issues like mental health and emotional well-being the family structure. How to you know how to deal with. Bullying How to deal with racism How to deal with identity executive coaching from some of the you know the brightest and most successful Korean Americans in the country so and and really just empowerment and leadership. That's you know one of the avenues in which I'm trying to bring K C L cuz we're we're a small Organization compared to those so if I can, you know leverage my network to be able to bring those opportunities to the citizens of you know, especially the youth in Massachusetts in New England, I thought that was something that was really important as well as making sure that. You know we're working with Korean American partners to make sure that we're communicating out and making sure people are being taken care of in terms of what I do as a Commissioner. It's working with the staff and the other commissioners the other commissioners are incredibly passionate. We all come from different walks of life are different stages in our in our lives as well have different professional backgrounds, and I think that really plays to the strength of what the Commission is able to do and it's been really heartwarming to hear that the Asian community. Has been very pleased with how active we've been and in years past, it's kind of been they weren't really sure what the Asian American tradition stood for, but it's very very obvious what we stand for now, which is we're unapologetically proud and and for our community, but we also are very calm and of the need to work collaboratively with other communities of color, particularly but with the entire Massachusetts community as a whole, I think that's so important. It's something I've really focused on in my community, which is mostly been the Jewish and Latino communities, which is when people feel this. Closer connection to their own identity, whatever that may mean they feel more proud and they feel like they wanna help strengthen that community, but they also realize that you can't do it by yourself you need to create relationships and partnerships and that we need to be rising together and lift everyone up because if we don't, we're gonna be by ourselves. so I really feel connected to what you just said and really appreciated that what do you think right? And it's hard to generalize this. I understand it, but what is the number one concern in the Asian American community right now in Massachusetts, you know I'd I'd I I think you kinda have to name what the first problem is with just you know beating Co 19 right. I think that's the first number one priority. I would say the second priority again. It's kind of general is how do we how do we weather the storm in terms of the the where the economy is right now? Right? it continues to fall continues to tank. You know we're at 26 million. Americans right now that are unemployed but definitely racism and xenophobia too, and we've seen a massive spike in it. even in our you know in this district right now, I'm a lifelong resident and in South High School, there was an AP Chinese class. I got attacked by bombers and they were they were the the victims of racial and racial discrimination, and it was really disgusting. so I I got to work with the students themselves as students to reach out to me. The parents and teachers have reached out to me to to kinda step in and try to help so I spent the next. Days after it happened, preparing the students for how to deal with the media because the media the media questions we're coming to interviews are coming. So how do you prepare yourself and also just to make sure and know that somebody who understands what they went through as someone who had face racism and growing up, That's somebody who understood them was there for them and have their back. So let's go into that a little more. I mean we we've seen this dramatic rise in hatred and bigotry, and I think it was a little more public that rise and the beginning of Coven 19. We're all now paying attention to our own families and our own stuff and so we. That rise and what are the organizations you know, KC LLK CL and AC doing in particular to help the community get through this rise and hatred and bigotry right. so one of the things we did with like I mentioned earlier was the press conference in which we're able to gather all the major news networks to come together. We've also worked with the Attorney General's office to make sure there was a hotline for reporting and we've been working with the district attorney's office to make sure that we're we're we're making sure that that this procedure that's in place to make sure that they there's prosecution for those who. Who do carry out these acts of hate and I think just making sure that we're we're communicating with all the organizations out there to make sure that the Asian community feels that they are being protected and they have a voice and that they have a seat at the table and also building partnerships it honestly, one of the most inspiring moments to me was when I got reached out to by the ADL when the anti Defamation League reached out and they wanted to collaborate and they want to show their support that was incredibly heartwarming and and something that meant a lot to me and I got to express them privately but. It was to honor to know that the Jewish community, which is endured so much and you know as a lifelong, Newton resident, many of my my best friends and people who I consider family are from the Jewish community and and just that understanding of history and and what the Jewish community has been through and and and they're always at their activism to stand up with other communities who face oppression and it's it makes it a lot easier to endure. I think that makes. And you know I sat on the Jewish Latino round table with ADL and I think Roberts and his crew at ADL truly does believe that we're stronger as a community when we're all United. so I definitely hear what you're saying. What are you most worried about in the next weeks and months ahead or what additional hardships do you see happening that maybe in particular to the Asian-American community, or maybe just like all the other communities right, I mean. I think just from talking to friends and experts both within the public health sector and the kind of economic finance world is that we haven't yet faced to. we don't know if you've even hit rock bottom yet right. so it's that once that happens, so it's always a escape of like what we're seeing right now with the President and who's continues to escape go, Chinese Chinese Americans Asian Americans, China You had Senator Tom Cotton from Arkansas basically calling for a ban of Chinese people total so. Just continuous rise in racism discrimination in phobia and it's this false perception that Asian Americans don't speak up. There is this kind of stereotype out there that we don't speak up and that's you can find that in any community and we haven't been a perfect for that whatsoever, but to say that we haven't been speaking up. It's more of a reflection of the fact that we're not being heard as well. So I think for me, it's making sure that we continue to be heard because the Asian very good community. Wants to stop talking about racism because we want to focus all of our efforts of fighting, Coven, 19 and fighting the social injustices that we're already existing prior to the Chrys. I think that that's a great transition into what I want to ask you next, which was there were major racial already disparities going into Cove 19. We've seen them widen, but let's talk a little bit about the testing and treatment for Coven 19. They've been reported disparities at least in the black and Latino. This is this an issue in the Asian American community, as well in terms of who's being tested in the treatment and the disparity between those who are from diverse communities and those who are not. I would be remiss. I didn't acknowledge the fact that the black and Brown community had in particular has been hit the hardest in terms of infection and mortality rates, and that isn't because they are more susceptible because of the the genetic makeup of that is simply because of social and and and systematic oppress. Of those communities in particular, so whether that was you know over or whether that you know, it doesn't really matter because what matters is the fact that those communities are dying at disproportionate rates and I think every community needs to speak up and make sure that we're you know, state and private organizations are making sure that isn't happening right that when black and Brown bodies go to the hospitals that they're being treated just as equally as anybody else would be. I think that's incredibly important to know in terms of the Asian community. We are probably not we're not even close in terms of you know mortality rate you know this was something that the Asian community knew was coming and we've tried to blow the horn on it. It's coming so you saw a lot of Asian Americans who are wearing masks for everybody else did and you actually saw a lot of hatred and discrimination because of that but what people don't know is that because of fine dust particles and smog and age in particular in East Asia, That's why a lot of. Americans and Asians in general where masks to begin with it is a cultural thing that has been around for decades Now, so there was that that where that misunderstanding of why Asian people do certain things and also like to increase discrimination in the beginning and also continuously I think that was so important what you said, because I don't think many people realize that when you're seeing other Asian Americans walking down the Street with Mass many of the that comes from their own culture and their own families and their own lies from their birth countries and that brought that here and then the ironic piece is. They are being ahead of the curve, helping us all flatten the curve and yet being targeted for hatred and discrimination because they're ahead of other people. I don't. I don't think people really realize that so thank you for enlightening about that. What how do you think the local state and federal government has been doing to handle the increase in racism and bigotry and xenophobia towards Asian-Americans. So I think I don't think it's you know too quite the same I would say with the federal government. Been incredibly disheartening to watch the President go out their time and again day after day continuing to stoke the fires and creating this other reason, which he's really been his MO right. He did this with the Muslim, the Muslim community with the Muslim ban. He's been continuous to from the beginning trying to create a divide of us versus them even amongst Americans, which is reprehensible the second thing will be you know, I do have to give a lot of credit to our. Delegation right now you know Elizabeth Warren had reached out to myself and Michelle to to create a private call of Asian-American stakeholders to make sure what are the needs of our community and what can she do to help? and it was a very successful call and it was something that really meant a lot to me as someone who considers her one of my heroes and you know I was I was on recently with Senator and Marky I've been on just in general and you know Kennedy as well has been out there doing his best to make sure. Are being taken care of the rest of the delegation here in Massachusetts and for the state government, I I would like to hear more. I you know I have I work for the Speaker for five years and I work in the state House for five years and you know I know they're doing the best job that they can. They have to look out for the entire state, but it wouldn't be nice to hear the governor come out and and make a very profound statement against racism discrimination towards my community. I know he cares about my community. I know that our staff does, but it would it would mean a lot to our community to hear him say it publicly. I think that's really important. In addition to that statement and coming out strong are there other things you think even the local state or federal government could be doing in order to protect and better support the community not just against hatred, bigotry and discrimination, but across the board. Absolutely, I think language access is incredibly important. so right now, what I'm hearing from state and local officials is that they're having trouble translating a lot of the documents and and programs into into link into the native languages of many of the Asian community. We're incredibly diverse community. We're not a model. we're we're very come from you know, 19 different countries in the United States for in terms of residing in the United States. So what we do need is federal funding in the next stimulus package to be earmarked specifically for state and local governments to pay for translations for the documents that are for to for applying for let's say SBA loans PU I any of those. It's right now that are critical for the survival of people. during this time, we need federal funding to go directly to state and local governments for those purposes, I think you're so right we've seen this we had Alberto who's the head of El Mundo and talking about this in the Latinos Spanish speaking community that it turns out that El Mundo was one of the only ones translating what the governor and the mayors were saying. No one else is translating and so people were coming in droves that. And understanding what was going on and this is life and death right now or this is your business or no business, so this is more important than ever to break down those barriers of language. I think that makes a lot of sense. we have one question I saw which was given our discussion around treatment in around testing isn't this another good reason on why we need universal health care access for all Americans for high quality affordable health care. Yeah, you know as a public here, I'm putting on my public policy student hat here. I think it's it's something that we absolutely need to strive for and it's something that we need to to have to make sure that everyone deserves health care right and there's a difference where people don't quite understand you know, health insurance and health care right. We've merged it too. So so symbiotic that we we we. It's we're having a hard time differentiating the two. The other thing is you know how do we get there politically? There's one thing to morally and intellectually know that that's the right thing to do in terms of when I talk. To talk to doctors and health care providers about you know single payer in a in a in a perfect world, they said. We would love to have a single pair, but how the payment mechanism works right now in terms of the way that the funding structure is currently made in hospitals, it makes it challenging to make those drastic switches without completely throwing the system in for a loop. So I think for my when it comes to my experience of working in the state House understanding how these massive structures operate It it really does help in terms of understanding that we it's gonna take time, but it's definitely something we should work towards. I think that makes a lot a lot of sense. We gotta remember that this is a big system. it affects everyone and until we make real changes, we can't do nothing and we gotta make sure that people are getting a high quality and affordable health care tomorrow, not in five years or 10 years from now, so a hundred percent agree. Let's let's talk a little bit about the economic impacts of the Asian-American community the American business. Where's especially an Asian American neighborhoods, were hit earlier and harder than everyone else. how is the Asian-American community coming together to help support the businesses in their own neighborhood and what are we doing to push the state and others to be more supportive to those businesses right and I have to do a ton of credit to Michelle and you Michelle was a city councilor in Boston. You know Les City councilor and Quincy and they held events within you know their own Chas respective China town to make sure that people were coming and and those businesses were staying afloat, but obviously with the you know, state of emergency being declared and the shutdown, it's we're no longer be able to do that. One thing we're definitely doing is we're trying to you know, try to continue to push people to go to those businesses and restaurants and trying to make sure that you know the gift cards movements is something that's really important. the ADL. When they reached out to one of the things they talked about was take out Tuesday, where we would select various Asian American restaurants across the state and so push people to go to those restaurants for take out on Tuesdays through our social media platforms. so there's many different ways in which you're trying to. it's. it's one thing that we have to continue to do and I would love to see this kind of take a life of it's own for all communities. I think that makes a lot of sense and we look we already talked about. Language barriers trying to break those down more support towards that, but are there are the is the Asian American community really taking advantage of the other government support programs are out there. how are they getting help in order to take advantage of it or are they being found like they might be missing out as we see with so many other communities of color seem to be missing out on a lot of the especially federal programs that are out there right, I mean with the federal program, those language that was written into it. Prohibited undocumented undocumented people from getting any of the any of the the the funding right, so it's a lack of understanding of economics that those that undocumented immigrants have a large role in our economy and we're basically we shooting ourselves in the foot by keep locking them out from any benefits at any age. in terms of you know, are we getting access? No? I mean we have a huge access problem. There's a language barrier. Is not understanding you know how the government operates not feeling like the feeling of disenfranchisement, which will make you feel like you're left out and you're not allowed to be part of the program to begin with a lot of confusion in terms of am, I not eligible or not, and you know even for myself who understands how these things work and working with my mom trying to help her apply for loans and help her walk her through the process. It's been a challenge of getting of getting approved I can only imagine what if you're a single parent with a young child who doesn't understand policy doesn't understand any of this language even though they were born here and being able to read and write, it is not a problem but understanding how these things work and how do you? how do you apply? How do you know? how do you navigate a government website and some of the language can be very intimidating? So I feel like for those reasons you just see a lot of people who are needlessly suffering even more because of access and what's happening is the people. Are able to access we do have those advantages and don't have the disadvantages. it's not that I don't think that they're they're they deserve it, but we're when all the resources are being taken away from and not being spread out evenly. Then we have a much larger problem on our hands. I I couldn't agree more and look we've been talking a lot about what can the government do more? what are your organizations? K C, L and A see do more. But let's look. I think the big question for those who are listening and those who will watch this video down the road is what can our neighbors do to help the Asian-American community? What? Ben Siegel and his family do we you know want to be there for our Asian American neighbors all of our neighbors quite honestly, but we've seen that those in the Asian American community have had it harder during this time, and I think it's up for all of us to lift people up and I do think that most of the people in our community wanna lift up their neighbors. so can you give us some different some advice some guidance around what we can do to help our neighbors. I've really really appreciate that question, but it really shows your heart and and where you where you're at in terms of wanting to be different for everybody this right here right having these conversations with those in the Asian community to better understand what our challenges are what our plates are you know, speaking of and you know promoting the the videos that we're putting out there the content that we're putting out there to make sure that people are listening and hearing what we have to say. and if you hear someone say something ignorant, you know speak and we. You don't see Asian-American that's able to speak up to correct them right. We need people to be courageous right now. We need people to be brave and and just remember that we're all in this together. Yeah, I think that's right and I think speaking up and being in it together, let's talk about all the lessons we're learning from this time which is let's start with you personally right once we get back to normal operation, whatever that might be in the future. What are of the lessons you've learned personally as. An individual and in your role as the executive director that you will take back and and use in order to be a more effective and successful human being and leader yourself, collaboration collaboration collaboration that we need to continue to work together that we need to check our egos at the door. We need to continue to understand perspectives and not to forget about the little things in life. The day-to-day what makes. Worth it, I miss holding my nieces and nephews more than anything in the world right now and they live 20 minutes away. So I think for me, my biggest lesson is you know as a young person. I'm 28 years old. So I'm always thinking about what's next. What's next? What's next but also living in the present and I feel like as a parent, you would really appreciate but you don't wanna miss any moment. go by right every moment you you. we're having a conversation before this and you're talking about how much time you get to spend with your kids and that showed me kind of who you are as a as a man and that's a person and and. That that really hit home with me and resonated, so I think it's just remembering to embrace every single moment of be appreciative to be grateful and continue to fight each and every day. So I think that makes a lot of sense, let's now switch that to some of the organizations that you've been with right, the Korean citizenss laid what if they learned as an Organization that maybe they're gonna do differently in the future and the same question about the Asian-American Commission. I'm sure there are a lot of lessons learned on how we can do things differently and even better in the future. Once we get through this pandemic. Definitely, I think streamlining on the technology right like we we can we don't have to meet for every meeting We can cut down on some time we can do zoom meetings in order to be more efficient. So I think you know those are the things that we you know that kind of it was it was it was harder to get certain generations to kind of understand that this could be efficient. This could work and maybe those some apprehension on my generation to the not giving them enough credit to the older generation. So I think one of the things we've definitely taken away is our understanding and ability. To work and use different technologies to make things more efficient and be more impactful. I think you're right on and I think with that those are a couple of the last couple of questions that I asked were questions from the audience. I wanna thank you so much Sam for coming on here both in your personal capacity, but also as a leader in the Asian American community and it's a leader in this commonwealth, making sure that we're lifting up all the voices of everyone and we're and and knowing that we're only as strong as the most vulnerable in our community. It's really really important so thank you for sharing that and I hope all that we're listening have thought about different ways now in order to support and protect their Asian American neighbors for everyone listening, We have two more town halls that are coming up tomorrow at 12 o 'clock. We have a glimmer of optimism during Co in 19, creating a more fair and equitable society where with Professor Emeritus Barry Bluestone of Northeastern University on May. At 20 'clock, we have challenges for the LGBTQ plus community during Covet 19 pandemic with a decline, the preside CEO of Kesha and on May seventh at 12 o 'clock. We're going to have a session of Facebook live session on building the world's largest most supportive inclusive online meditation community with Stephen Soler and we're gonna have a five minute online meditation with that as well because self help and taking care of yourself is very important. For everyone else. I'm still collecting signatures to get on the ballot, so please visit us on all our social media challenge chat channels Facebook Ben Siegel for Congress at Twitter and Instagram at Ben Siegel and on LinkedIn. We have a Coven 19 resource page on our website at Ben Siegel for Congress dot com. Please go to that for any help and additional questions and finally as Sam and I think it both said many times on this. We are all in this together and we're only gonna come through stronger. Act as a community and lift each other up because we are stronger when we are United, then when we are divided so everyone please stay safe. Continue your socialist and help us flat in the curb and Sam. Thank you again for joining us today. Thank you. Ben. It's been a pleasure.