You had a number of the courageous students of all colors at the University of Virginia, who were protesting against the neofascists themselves. The neofascists had their own ammunition, and this is very important to keep in mind, because the police, for the most part, pulled back. The next day, for example, of the 20 of us were standing, many of them clergy, we would have been crushed like cockroaches if it were not for the anarchists and anti-fascists, who approached over 300—350 anti-fascists. We just had 20, and we singing "This Little Light of Mine." You know what I mean? So that— Amy: Antifa meaning anti-fascists. Cornel West: The anti-fascists. And the crucial were the anarchists, because they saved our lives, actually. We would have been completely crushed and I'll never forget that. Meaning what? Meaning that you had the police holding back, on the one hand, so we couldn't even get arrested. We were there to get arrested. We couldn't get arrested because the police had pulled back, and just allowing fellow citizens to go at each other. And with all of the consequences that would follow therefrom. So in that sense, you know, I think what we're really seeing, though, sister Amy, is the American empire in decay with the rule of big money, with massive militarism facilitated by the scapegoating of the most vulnerable. Of immigrants, Muslims, Jews, Arabs, gay, lesbians, trans, bisexuals, and black folk. The white supremacy was so intense. I'd never seen that kind of hatred in my life. We stood there and nine units went by, and looking right in our eyes, and they cussing me out, and so forth and so on. They lucky I didn't lose my Holy Ghost, to tell you the truth, because I wanted to start swinging myself. I'm a Christian, but not a pacifist, you know. But I held back. But that kind of hatred, that is just the theater. It's big money, it's big military, and the way in which this capitalist civilization is leading us toward unbelievable darkness and bleakness. And the beautiful thing is the fight back. It was a beautiful thing to see all the people coming back. But they had more fascists than anarchists.