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And for two, it hello everyone, my name is, will which we have a very special guest today. We are joined by Dr Jordan B. Peterson. How are you doing today. I'm doing well. How are you. I'm great I'm great professor University of Toronto and recent presenter of our prager. You video titled fix yourself which now has think just a little bit over three million views that's incredible yeah well and on I'm amazed that the response on you to do what I've been talking about it's quite remarkable yeah and for those people who haven't seen the video yet uh how could you tell our audience how does wanna go about fixing themselves Well, I would say the first thing you have to do is decide that you actually want to fix yourself now off me. One of the true reasons of clinical psychology is that in order for client to make progress when here she has troubling in life, the will to make things better has to be there it's the understatement that has to happen is that people have to decide to tell the truth because it's very difficult to straighten out your life unless you have a decent relationship with the truth, we only make sense right because you're dealing with reality and if you want the reality to work for you, then you have to admit to it's existence and I mean that's hard to understand More people have trouble with but it doesn't help so in high tell the truth. That's pretty good start and how does fixing yourself help fix the world and other people around you. Well, it stops. You from it opens up the possibility that you can find a meaningful path and light and if you can't then you have something worth living for and you need something worth living for because life is difficult life is tragic and it's also touched by malevolent know people very bad to each other they're bad for themselves, as well as You'll life is intrinsically very difficult in suffering is built into the structure of existence. If you have something worth living for then you can you can rise above that and you won't become better and resentful and then you can work on being productive and reliable to be really good thing work on your reciprocal relationships with other people and try to put them right, then you can help your family, then maybe if you can get full that put together an clue in make yourself into a productive citizen, then you could actually be a benefit to your community very one get that down well, thanks with Moving a very positive direction very rapidly so O, continue well, none of this is easy. They're it's, like you know, people site tell people sort of time and shake to clean up the room now. It's become a bit of an Internet meaning. You know you think. Well how's that gonna change the world it's like well first of all, that is part of the world so natural part that you have control over and if you do, if you find two longer difficult than you think, and that the effects are much more far reaching than you think and you also won't hurt anyone when you're doing it, which is also a good thing so hit us Demonstrating against other people who are making the world a bad place that's my feeling that doesn't mean there's. No utility in political action. That's not the point. The point is that you should do what you can with what you have in hand and see where that takes you because it will definitely take you to the next place and so that's worth doing so dealing with fixing yourself and fixing the world's problems by fixing yourself that someone relates to me two movement where people have to be better. What do you think of me two movement. I think It it's a managers station of a society that's very confused about it. Sexual morality, so on the one hand, ever since the 19 60 's, I would say ever since birth control was developed and really fundamental way ever since the pill we kind of this idea which I would consider a kind of illusion or perhaps even a delusion, that any form of sexual gratification at any time is acceptable, that should be on travel, sexual expression but the problem without is this that you can divorce you can turn sex into a casual impulsive pleasure. It doesn't work because it's not a casual imposed pleasure it's something that effects every aspect of the way that This and if you try to turn it into a casual impulsive pleasure and take restrictions off in all hell breaks loose and so we see the very people I would say them pretty during the people on the radical left been pushing for constant sexual freedom for 50 years being the most reactive to the fact that it turns out that consent is a very difficult process for example in the human relationships have to be rid regulated so that sex doesn't answer the conversation when it's not warranted so to me it's just a symptom of something far deeper, partly are confusion about What sexual rules are now that we have reliable birth control, pills, but reliable birth control and party much deeper confusion about how many women should interact with one another. That's all you think it so awesome bitterness and hatred in it from them. Two women answer woman demand in there is certainly a subset of man the small subset of men who are certain serial sexual predators, but you know they might victimized hundreds of people like Dr window after all, the gym just to know that the fact that there's a time in my already of man who engage in such activity doesn't mean that that's carry Domestic of all man any more than the the fact that the tiny minority of the criminals are responsible for almost all of the crimes means that all men are criminal. So, but we're not capable of having a mature conversation about any of this in our society. Yeah definitely and so with the radical left you have third wave feminists modern feminism. What do you think is their end goal really want gender equality. Are they looking for gender superiority now. I don't take their looking for either. I think they're looking for a means to take the resentment out on the world and and are very good at using compassion as it guys. I don't see anything in the far last that's productive. I don't think they're anything and anything like Inc, whatever gender equality with me and I don't even know, what that would mean for them hosted mean something like equity which is an absolutely if you think that equity is a good idea which would be the insurance that every single strata of every Organization whatsoever precisely matches the demographic, because the general population on every conceivable access of measurement, if you think that that's a good goal, you there's so much you don't know that there isn't even any place to start talking to you do Definitely, and so um I'm not sure, will actually we watch the video before we started about that Mike video that came out where they talking about how you are the new father of the far right essentially looks like they basically took five minutes and the no homework on what you actually believe in and they get a lot of the values that you stand for wrong, would you say, are the main values that you do stand for and what do you think you're trying to achieve well, what I'm sure what I'm trying to achieve is to make individuals life's better that's what I'm trying to achieve Also called attention to the path you have the far left because I think that things are become so extreme on the far left for example, that they boy demolished the humanities in universities and that that that destructive um pattern is starting to spread out into the broader community and I think there's gonna be hell to pay it's about so I've been reluctantly drawn into political discussions but I'm a clinical psychologist and my goal for 30 years is being to pull people away from police Go the allah G because I think that there's having a pink possessed by a political ideology is reprehensible. It's in the management of your individual responsibility. It's the giving over of your God, given soul and how exam your social instance, words to human dogma and I don't care whether that's on the right or the left it's not acceptable that's. Why I've been trying to tell people to drop be the logical India cv the are gonna be politics that playing both the radical right and the radical left and to concentrate on developing themselves as star Lord and honest and responsible individuals because I think that's the right way forward. I think the West is always know now. That's what defines the West is the individual sovereignty, individuals, the cornerstone of the state, not the other way around like the identity, politicians insist, then I got no patients that there's no excuse sport it's it's a very doubt it's a very dangerous set of ideas, whether emerges on the left to the right and you even have the least familiar with twentieth century Straight then you would know that and if you don't then well, if you don't know anything about twentieth century history, then you should certainly state of how the political spirit cuz your 289 to do anything other than one round like a bull in the China shop. So by the thousands of letters from people and everywhere. I go now people and I'm not bragging about this because I don't regard this is my ideas, but no, I am a clinical psychologist and I'll be bringing the ideas of great clinicians to a much wider audience and people are telling me in droves that you know they're straining out their lives, their pay more attention to the relationships, their concentrating on their careers they're trying to tell the truth and it's got them out of very, very dark places and so I'm thrilled about that makes all the Flock that goes along with this, which is unbelievably intense. Um. I would say, bearable is even that it makes a deeply rewarding so you know spine and its people on the radical left won attack me. They're gonna find out what they already found out is that with each time I'm attacked and justly than the number of people who start to listen to what I'm saying grows and so you know, bring it on your weasels. Exactly the in the video they talk about with your ideas with concerning White privilege how is White privilege of myth. what It's because the hold the use of the term is just a races lot. You know the ideas well, we can call attention to White privilege and we'll will raise up impressed. It's like well. First of all, why, in the world should I think that you're interested in raising up the oppressed but makes you like saint theresa of the universe. What should not be skeptical of your means, especially if you're up identity politics collected us so I don't buy your initial premise that you're doing this on behalf of the oppressed, as George orwell said many um leather past tweet wearing socialist don't like core, they just hate the rich that's not the same thing. You know and then 222 identify a group of this is the more pernicious element to identifying entire population by their group identity and then to tell them that they're responsible in some quasi criminal way for the bloody whores of the past and that they have to pay for them as individuals. Now, despite not having committed those crimes, is as reprehensible as anything I've encountered in my studies of commentary is and I know where that sort of thing leads because that's exactly what the Soviet standing nearly in the men teams and 19 hundreds, when they have this cool conception of class guilt in the consequence of that, was absolutely up having miles. China, as well, class guilt is, if you think that class guilt is a good idea, then you going be on the political pale as far as I'm concerned means you either don't know, history at all or you do know and you're willfully blind or you do know and you don't care and I don't care which, of those three categories you're in there's no excuse for what you doing absolutely no patience whatsoever for anyone who talks about equity it's, an appalling idea and White Which that's even works, there's, nothing more races to not statement now there's. This idea on the lasted well, you can't be racist. Unless you have power that's real, convenient for the whiny resentful dangerous hyper collective is leftists. Nutter pushing this pathological agenda forward and they're doing immense damage by doing so there's, a dirt. They should be time there's. No excuse for nine there's, a huge difference between equality of outcome, inequality of opportunity yeah Difference between straight of internally that's the that's exactly promise percent well, he said, if you give your credit organizations enough power to impose equality, welcome you up civil painlessly, giving them enough power. So that they will certainly become theories and I think that's a very good formulation. Second, as well the video they talk about um cultural marxism and your ideas about post modernism. They say that is a right wing conspiracy, three would you tell our audience what that's not the case. Well. First of all, it's not like I invented Post modernism yeah the idea that the post Martin is to align with the marxist that's just straight forward observation. It's not me in venting now to me, jonathan hite and this hello dogs academy of identified the. One overwhelming dominance of radical left-wing winners, a month in the humanities in a University. This is not some paranoid scheme on my part, so yeah the fact the idea that these are my ideas is just preposterous derick himself who is the leader in some sense of the post modern so long with two call new perfectly well and stated quite fourth, rightly, that is his philosophy was a transformation of Marxism and post modern marxism is the is the defining philosophy. The humanities and the universities. There's no question about it's not no one even debate stop so the idea that this is my idea. Some sort paranoid flossie it's like go look at 12 women's studies. Websites and see what they say and decide for yourself if it's a paranoid conspiracy mean the fundamental um aim is to identify and Western culture As a handle normative, uh sis normative salad go centric tyrannical, patriarchy and to this math lip right from the warm up including its most fundamental conceptions, including those of gender, so I not inventing this like you don't events, something that you read that someone else wrote you just read. It and it, like, I said, people don't believe it's like go, do your own researches like rida rida doesn't In studies, website you'll figure, it out soon enough for yourself. So it's a preposterous claim do you think that universities are beyond saving at this. Yes, yes is there anyway to bring them back to their original intention, making something approximating seven fatal errors. Each one, each of which is sufficient enough to bring them down on until so here bureaucrats Lee overloaded so their administrative we talk heavy they're burned down by impossible legislation that required that they produce cause. I judicial systems within them to regulate such things as the sexual behavior of students the The price of education is probably 10 times. What it should be for a proper return. Um teach students are thing talk to right property or read properly or speak properly. The value of a degree is plummeting. Eighty percent of humanities papers have zero citations um students in the United States in particular, burden massive amounts of death. Well, they prolong their adolescence stupidly and transform themselves into indentured servants that's a lot of mistakes The universities of love, the sciences to become tangled up with this reprehensible and ethics committees who do nothing but produce bureaucratic off the station and later the pathway of researchers with typical Center unnecessary and counterproductive. That's a lot of mistakes and that that's is nothing about the fact that the humanities which is the dead court the court the University, like that the living soul of University is become completely dominated by postmodern needle marks is to teach their students to be nihilistic resentful And depressed so yeah. I think the universities are in trouble. There in serious trouble. Well, with all those mistakes, I mean that sounds pretty horrible. Stick media, yeah just in a death spiral much of a toll making is there a way to bring the university's back at all or say yeah baby incoming students can stop taking courses better talk. My post modern marxist in Dr nader's. You know the markets gonna have to decide and hopefully, people will educate themselves and also that they know that if they enter of course where people are talking about diversity includes 70 Gender White privilege, um or equity that they're not being educated, they're being indoctrinated mission leave those classes and drugs and this the supplies students dried up then perhaps the university's can be salvage. But I can't see any other way forward. So you still think it's worth. It for high school or just graduated to still go to University. I think, if you can have a ball if you can avoid the post Martin indoctrination it's getting pretty hard in most humanities disciplines the science is still in pretty good shape So I would say if you're gonna go University you should tell tore the stand and of the of them. I'm starting to distribution, because you think discipline is grounded in science. It's much less likely to be taken over by the toxic toxic and doctor majors. So good lord law faculties of education they're all pretty much. There in dire straights facts, education, social work there are on hope. I can tell, define, let me Let me ask you what do you think that Western civilizations values actually come from who they come from well, there's a Friday sources. There some of the market stand shit biological level me and increasingly it's all just an animal. Behavior sir les healthy fundamental biological structure for emergency after which includes, serve play there's, increasing evidence in mom that doesn't meaning approve by and we'll researches, for example, we're starting wraps that right have a pretty good grasp on the ideas or play and even to some degree training. You see an emerging in Dogs and Turkey structures of complex animals like Wall, sir so there's, a biological basis. Uh like, like there is a biological basis for language and then I'll talk about there's, a socio cultural overlay. I learn that's consequence of mutual invitation and I talk about this later story telling and drama and then on top of that there's, a layer of customer and notified law loss of the all of those contribute and there, but there's essential ethic at the core of a functional society, not essential ethic involved recognition of the necessity of speaking the truth and something like willingness to Engage in reciprocal actions so no, that's are detroit's not morally relative. It's not that that's all nonsense. That post modern um moral relativism as far as I'm concerned, serious academics already demonstrate the falsity of those claims. So, hopefully we'll take it out before um the University is due themselves in completely hopefully um. Let me ask you about your book the 12 rules for life amazing, amazing read um. If you can give people watching one lesson from all any 12 of your rules which one Be fight to pick one of the rules treat your spa point to someone response. That you have that you responsible for helping that's a good one and why so can you know well, you know there's lots of things that aren't so good about you. You know, part because you're human impart because you have the capacity for evil very deep inside of you, you know it's not surprising. People don't take care of themselves, but be real good if you can treat yourself like you're, someone who has something to offer to the world because you do and you know the world's a dark place as far as our Turn but people how the light within them and if you can, let that light, if you can Green that link fourth and you can make the darkness a little bit a little bit less. Darken and terrifying and you should do that be good for you to give to your family good for your community good for the structure being itself. You know until part of the reason I think that what I've done this become popular is because I have a very dark vision of the world, but very parts division alive without which is that dark is the darkness eaves and it's even darker than you think the light that you can bring to Aaron is more powerful than you can imagine so that's a really good thing to know and I think you can know it. Instead of just believing it and that's better. Do you believe that your book and rules find women as well as I do the man most definitely, you know, people have said well White, but what I've been describing when the message so speaking, be delivering which which I would say, is more in the in the course of education, rather than any message so, like I tell people what to do explain things to them that Great psychologist have discovered and draw conclusions, but you know most of my audience on youtube has been men but most of the people who watch youtube videos are men. So there's, a baseline problem, but increasingly especially since this book came out my public um speaking engagements which were again probably to begin with about eighty 20 men have shifted now till are almost 50 50 men, women so I think it's really think it's just a matter of by the demographics of youtube Now it might be that man young man are more desperate for the certain things that I'm saying, but I'm not convinced about my suspected in a year or so, assuming nothing goes horribly wrong. Um that is that most of the time when I go out and stay can be 50 percent women and 15 percent men. I suspect the population get older, two is the book attracts an audience that wouldn't normally encounter things on youtube, so okay enough and I have one last Ocean, for you actually are you optimistic or pessimistic about Western civilization, is all both like I think I mean the possibility for capacity is always at hand right. That's. Why the apocalypse isn't archetypal story, but I think that with good will and the willingness to and the desire to make things better, rather than worse and the willingness to tell the truth and forth rightly that we can do things in the next 30 years that are absolutely unimaginable. I think we could truly and world hunger. I think we can read the planet of It's major contagious diseases, I think we could offer educational opportunities to virtually everyone. I think the futures unlimited um but by the same token, I think that we're in a state of crisis at the moment, with regards to our fundamental values and that can bring us down very rapidly so I'm hoping that people will collectively decide that up is better than down and then honesty is better than dishonesty and that responsibility is better than any logical possession and I think that if enough people decide Captain, we can tell the entire, we can chill the entire enterprise towards having an away from help. Let's see, let's say worse case scenario Western civilization does fall. What would what would happen then. Oh. I'm not many position to speculate about that. I've been um. We can't sustain the population. We have on the planet. Now without the technological sophistication that only a well functioning society can maintain so we'll be here. We can strong thick so So perhaps it would be best if we don't go there. What do you think is the number one threat facing Western civilization right now that we should look to fix or change corruption. This honesty, I think that's the number one threat to every society. No cross societies are poor. It's a simple stop that doesn't mean every course. Society is corrupt and doesn't need every rich societies on but societies are certainly port and there are no societies that stay Rich that are cricket just doesn't work just doesn't happen. So there's no, you there's no natural resource of more value than honesty between people. It means that you can trade with them means you can cooperate with them. It means that you can compete with them and everyone knows what's going on everyone knows what the rules of the game are and so it's this honesty and corruption is the biggest threat and I would say that starts locally, which is why I try to encourage people to understand why it's so dangerous to say things that You don't believe you, you, you, you corrupt the structure of being when you do that and and that's that's what you want. I would suggest that you don't do it agree with that completely. Well, everyone thank you so much for watching we're here today with Jordan B peterson. Thank you so much go check out the Mike video that was posted and let us know what you think about that. If it's true or not, um and thank you very much. I appreciate it have a good one guys. Thank you. Can bet thanks guys
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