The hell I'm sure how's that work Hello is both on the screen and you're, not how's our I'm pretty sure he is Oh my gosh so many notifications and well we're running some technical difficulties. Ladies and germs, uh. Thank you for tourney it's getting into you think yeah just chance to and Mark trouble. I wanna get like him. He was going. Thank shit what's up White set again. You cut out a little bit. I wanna hear your thoughts on the reason. Art. I wanna hear your thoughts on our latest oh boy do you um. I do. I Unlike my thoughts on that, I really said much about it and I mean look who my to tell. I guess someone else had to go but how do their stuff. Um and I find it like it's hard for me to talk about individuals and they are here to discuss that as well. I guess if there's one thing to say it's like. If I can make a list of all the things that I had to do in in a similar position, I would assume that, like utilitarian Conversation to be had about age of consent laws would probably be pretty low on that list is, I guess the best way. I would frame it um yeah. What about what you sow so there's. This argument that his Central point is that the government shouldn't be involved in age of consent laws hmm. He hasn't given any kind of except for family, essentially Um wonder ankle I he's All right culture to course and I'm just confused why is not talking the system to the statement. Optically control. I am he considers himself a limited here is a piece missing, a golden opportunity. Yeah. I mean that's an interesting point for sure. It's not as lord enough for him well, we gotta bring people up to speed, not everybody knows about this because, just might us living in the libertarian pictures, medical cares. What our vice chair has to say about stuff, but for those coming to the party late arvin said some pretty console Social things over the last couple of days about about child can sense and what what you know what what the room. What role the state has some village in his eyes is none but he basically made the comparison that you know welfare or taxation in any capacity was worse than pedophilia and seems to be testing. Everyone off lately, so I don't know I mean fridges from just from like I don't know how you can say that shit as a person but as as a leader of the party, I think he's gonna be a little more careful. I would the Hills you chooses what do I know In before he yeah that's already a fucking stereotype in this party man people already thinks it. You know, support this crazy shit. Cuz every now and then some crazy for loss for things that the natural conclusion of libertarianism is that you can sell your children into slavery. Why not the children consent, like now that's not how that's how most of these things man it's not just selling the slavery okay so, if you're gonna talk about Marie, then you gotta at least yeah he's, a water block. I wasn't thinking right up. I got what you're getting at seven but yeah fairness turn up But honestly, okay, I know no one asked me but I'm gonna say it anyway so the here's, the deal so what are been said is whatever it even his delivery makes him out to be kind of a jerk. They he. What he saying what he's saying is not necessarily like out of the room of oak philosophy of the of philosophy in general, but in some ways it is, I am but here's here's the Album was a does there's delivery is just completely out of whack with the rest of his litter of the leadership team in the libertarian party and the majority of the people in the libertarian party. Also on the second point, who actually cares when the. When in here's what I'm getting at by that when the chair of the yeah birth care of the Democratic party so something is maybe like and in the limelight for a day when donald trump or Elizabeth Warren says something, then it's it's the news for the week, so it that Point by that is we can platform ideas a lot more efficiently through candidates. Then we can and through elected officials who are libertarians than through um are party leaders and I don't think it's a good idea to even entertain platform. The ideas directly from the vice chair and the chair okay my son. What it's very facebook right muses yeah okay so what if, yes, he's he's he's party leadership but he's also running for Senate and he's running for Senate As Chelsea manning for God sakes now okay anyway quit of course, a in yet with yes, but that's gonna create a lot of publicity and they're gonna tear the shit out of the libertarian in the race and that just happens to be our bottom one look at his profile and more fucking done we're done for like two years yeah right people don't even know who we are men. I, if, if that's the message we're sending out as a party ship, it it seems to be a bit dangerous Joseph I'd, like to happen in your you actually you've got more time in the libertarian party than any of us men and I'm curious. What you think of this messaging. You do you think that the vice chair is gone too far. This time There's up me can you guys hear you coming through quiet. I think your microphone is turned down. He. I cannot hear their oh man that was someone else sells me. Oh very, very quiet. I barely here and it's Super soft yeah. I can hear me my What is it. I think your there's, something wrong with your microphone settings in the meantime, uh we'll see ya fuck angela we're still having trouble getting angela here to so for all the technical troubles. Y'all this is a as a family right now we are live. We absolutely are and the audience can hear you, but just Super quietly you're very, very muted okay shit. My soul, yes, any if, if I could add right since we're having a bit of an issue um, I would like to add, like, if you, if you talk you are than if you watch arvin talk about these things like in person, I feel, like you talk Like a completely different person like I, you know josh didn't interview with him not long ago, where he talked about like some of this messaging and stuff and like it's worth getting perspective on it for sure I mean it doesn't make the things you saying any easier conversations and, like I mean you know, I, I totally feel the frustrations that people have like oh no, when you talk to in person it's not the same way, it all it's curious to me when it comes across What it does on facebook, not the same way that it does in person but you know he's got reasons for why he goes about saying the stuff that he does. I just don't know if I tell you, man, he was asked if he would fuck a 14 year old and his response was I mean, probably not I would not go over well with needed no way. You can stand out online in person that's that's just not an acceptable answer that question for sure, like you know how the parents of kids at his school feel about. I just want hmm Was up over yeah oh listen go to one by one we're dropping off man. It's madness and there was one no there's like four miss there's still vinnie me and you and kaitlyn, but now has officially yeah. I think this post okay. I was gonna say I think, what's most important about this is it is still not his message. His the messaging itself the way a problem well, I It is a problem agree them like it. We should be talking about this. Shit, like this is so low on the totem pole of what we need to focus on. Think we have a government to take down like why are we talking about age of consent and in cap, stand that's exactly why White what I'm getting at is that the message the message needs to be driven mostly by candidates. I realize is running for Senate, but the thing is like it needs. You and needs to be driven by people that are actually like running for National position or for state positions or things like that, like yeah that's that's We have to like we, we have to improve the messaging of candidates that we can actually was fine, but week if you're going to talk about controversial If you wanna talk about controversial cut damage, zuckerberg, let him get a if you Hello, I can't hear you what breaking up and you are. You are hard core. Uh breaking up. It really wanna hear what you have to say, but I know this is an important cause looking anybody knows go Brown he's stood by through some of the crazy. If it was like, like when I was and it other comments about the military, like you got understand you just against war and he's trying to make a bold point like was always kept a level head about war and always had I don't wanna say had his back, but he always like just took the to the stands that hey it's cool let him express his opinions, but this was the first time I saw people like Brown who always had his back se like no Dude no, you don't get to say that with parental consent can fucking nine year old that's that's two farm sorry. That's not libertarian is so I was really interested in having come on in and sure starts. Hopefully, we can get us computers or I've got Joseph coming back in here. Let me see if I campaign for his cameras audio back in it's it's gonna take me said the go ahead bill Head might not being heard at all than I can adequately everything we hear the beginnings of your sentences for right when you get to the good stuff, it always stops alright I'll see gonna try to get Joseph working again. I just if I'm even honor this, some kind of crazy going on. I can hear me right now alright. Yes, let's. All be quiet, be kinda Joseph stuff yeah can you hear me yeah it's a little quiet, but I hear you much better than before alright I've got like right after the mouth. Mary yeah we're gonna have one coming through crystal clear, so what do you think about this mess with the vice chairman will what's your what's, your take well you've got And push them at your messages that people understand well, I get off on all sorts of esoteric topics. Startle you meeting the new shit fourth of see forget it. You lose the great Mass of people. True very true. I'll be living. Let me make a point here that there's, a distinction here between propagate And in agitation this is well-known to uh activist for, for a hundred years and the education of the slogans you, gotta push to the masses, whereas propaganda is the hardcore stuff. You give you the hardcore and when I see libertarian too often do is transit upside down. They trying to push the hardcore message to people in it goes over people's heads or stores near the same time. Thank you for all the messages that are to be going out there that what that we did um when we are running California liberty, which is the the, a state newspapers and push for I've issues like ah position to gun control, lower taxes, uh and you, the drug war. We got a pretty good response to user issues that already have large constituencies. What you can't well out there, trying to create a constituency out of nothing that's. That's true and you're right man there's there's groups or any guys familiar with the group Americans against libertarian party and you guys know them on. Yes, it's a holders, a lot of us thought. It was satire it's real it's real group who hates us and I follow them because know thy enemy. You know um and right now they're having a field day because of arbonne like shit like this empowers people who already Think oh they're just capital is so they just you know they're the pro pedophilia, like everybody who thinks horrible things about us. This empowers them that's that's the only thing I can say on the topic and angela normally over on on that score over there but she's having some technical trouble, she says it's damaging for me as it can crush congressional candidate when people ask me if I support pedophilia because they heard that the vice chair supports it is doesn't help us win elections or grow the party. I fucking fat is ensure you know now anybody who doesn't know about us the first thing they're gonna here's is not gonna be pleasant so that's. why That mean if I can like that, that's one thing, I will say that I can really like feel for is when you got people in the party they're working really hard all the time in their who kinda coming up and saying, like we, you know this is making my job really hard um. It. I think I think it's appropriate in a leadership position to respect that, and hear that and try to work with right when people are telling you what you're doing is making what I do really hard I think it's appropriate to respond to that. You know in a way that can help not make things so hard right, definitely it sucks it. Sucks to think that you know